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this hope radios for the masses headline

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and a GRA the global radio

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Jimmy judge on the game-changing Network

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good evening fade to black

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the spoke radio for math says today's

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315 days into the New Year just 51 days

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in the middle of beautiful downtown

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bang California

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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game changer Network and K G RA the

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planet I'm here Jimmy Church what is

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crackin everybody how you doing

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today's Monday yes it is Monday 1111 19

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on that in just a minute

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kicking off this week tonight Andrew

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Collins is here live from the United

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Kingdom to discuss his new book here it

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is right there right there now some say

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incorrectly Denisovan Denise 'van Dennis

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oven that did that we're gonna find out

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how to say it tonight and you know

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Andrew hybrid humans gobekli tepe in the

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genesis of giants of ancient america you

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know Andrew nobody says gobekli tepe

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finer and speaking with him about this

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book out of something I said wait a

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let's stop right there we'll talk about

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all of that tonight on the show

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the book is an amazing read and

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especially it's done in two parts he

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then Gregory L little did the second

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half and it's it's an incredible read

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it's a real eye-opener and so that's

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that's tonight gobekli tepe hybrid

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humans not hybrid as you may think but

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welcome back fade to black I am your

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host Jimmy Church tonight Andrew Collins

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is here tomorrow night Jeffery miss love

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nightingale is back to talk about

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Leonardo da Vinci in the Giza template

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with open lines all night long tonight

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it's Andrew Collins yes he's an author

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he's a researcher and he's here to

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discuss his new book he wrote the first

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little Dennis oven origins hybrid humans

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giants of ancient america he is a writer

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author of more than a dozen books that

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they include from the ashes of angels

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Tutankhamun the Exodus conspiracy

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morning good morning tha may it do you

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after he denied that they that the caves

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whatsoever of these caves and even after

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achievement that you guys did but I had

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to watch it in spurts I couldn't watch

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atmosphere of what you guys were doing

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and you don't know what lies in front of

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you which is crazy to me and it's just

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an incredible incredible video and an

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incredible discovery

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many times but I remember when you guys

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were first in the tomb tomb of the birds

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or whatever it was cool yeah and you

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flash your flat and you see that little

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you know that little opening in the back

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yeah and the last thing that would be on

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my mind is crawling through that the

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last thing that and you guys actually

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did not knowing what was on the other

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side and it was just an incredible

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achievement seriously I mean in some

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ways you know I looked through the whole

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oh my god that looks incredibly

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dangerous and of course it was but I

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mean that's what I'm in it for I mean

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Indiana Jones films in our lives and you

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know and know what people like that you

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know as fictitious as as he is you know

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what they have to do and you have to do

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by Howard Carter and lookin Alvin you

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and canal van to you know say you know

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what what what what is it what have you

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found and he turns around and says

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wonderful things you know and I

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deliberately put your words to that

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effect to the Edgar Cayce foundation who

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things type thing because it was a

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wonderful things moment for me and I

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equal to that I mean obviously different

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things I mean I'm you know I'm new

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research of course all the time but I'm

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unlikely to get something like that

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happening again I would say yeah it's uh

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that's a singular that's a singular

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achievement no there's no question about

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it and if anybody is wondering what

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you can google it and head over to

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youtube and and check out the series of

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videos of Andrew and his team crawling

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through that hole and what they found

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and it was that was actually over that

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was that was average that was a year

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right you started one year and finished

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the second yeah yeah I mean we first

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went in the tomb of birds in 2007

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because we I mean you know by the way we

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didn't just fall into this over this was

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the end of about a five year research

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project right I mean myself and Nigel

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Skinner Simpson had worked out that

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somewhere in that vicinity was the

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entrance to a cave complex that

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everybody had overlooked and was not

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mentioned in any orthodox book on the

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Giza Plateau and certainly was not

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included in any you know academic Pike

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or anything so we knew that when we

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uncovered a diary account from a British

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consul guy for Egypt from 18 not 18 19

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that talks about going in these case

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alien explorer that you know the

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whatever it was that they were in

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certainly wasn't recorded and we had to

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try and track down where that was

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the chances are the entrance was still

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there somewhere but had just been lost

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you know that's why I always say Regis

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we rediscovered because quite clearly it

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had been found at the beginning in the

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19th century you know plus the chances

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are you know others had discovered it at

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a much earlier time probably even as

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early as Roman times and had got in

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there and done whatever they'd done in

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there but you know it'd have been

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completely overlooked it's almost like

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it would be it was like a blind spot it

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was in the northwest corner of the Giza

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Plateau which obviously by its sheer

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nature means that it's raised up you

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know and like a platform and the one of

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the reasons why nobody had discovered it

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in the past is because it was directly

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below a presidential building the old

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Egyptian President Mubarak would

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actually helicopter in to a building in

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that locality which was very clearly

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very heavily guarded and had been until

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about four or five years before we

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discovered it and he stopped going there

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in a course obviously eventually stopped

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being president but it then became a

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house for engineers working locally in

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the area of the Giza Plateau when we

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actually discovered it but it was one of

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these things people say well how did you

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get over there we said well all we did

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was just get a tourist pass that's all

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but we were very clever because you were

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you know usually anyone getting anywhere

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near that part of the plateau would be

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turned away by guards by security place

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whatever but what I know is that if we

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came onto the plateau from the back and

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there was a back door into the plateau

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on camels and just went straight over

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there having already got our past as

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part of a camel ride we could get there

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and we wouldn't be stopped or it'd be

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very unlikely that would be stopped with

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all

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our equipment so that's what we did we

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went over there we got there there was a

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local Guardian there what I mean by that

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is somebody who lives in the vicinity

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and looks after any tombs in a

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particular area I mean he was a really

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old guy he said he'd never been in this

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he knew about the caves but he'd never

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been in there

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and he said that in the whole of his

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time he knew nobody that had actually

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been in the cave he said one guy in the

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1980s an Egyptian Egyptologist had

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looked in them but I decided against

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exploring them and that was the one

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person now this is the guy that would

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know if anybody had been in there and as

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I said the sheer fact that something

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like Zahi Hawass who'd been in charge of

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excavations on the plateau for many

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years didn't know about it tells you

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that this was something new something

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that had truly not been explored before

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before we move on how many times I know

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this is pretty well documented but how

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many times did you walk through the tomb

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of the birds because it was the last day

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you guys were done but when he made the

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discovery you guys yeah I mean what's

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the case of being done I mean you know

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we gave up one year and just said well

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look we can't find anything bearing in

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mind that these tombs are completely in

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darkness yeah I think this is this

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should be pointed out there's no

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lighting in them so you know there's

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nothing that shows you everything you

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need to see you know in an easily

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available

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you know electric light so we could be

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excuse for for missing a very small hull

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at the back of that the tomb in one of

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the the corridors and we you know but

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the information came back that that it

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was somewhere in that area and then we

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even found a map and the map had to be

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interpreted because it was all done

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through letters A to Z and IIb BC so

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euros little covered and it talked about

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we found another reference to caves

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being in an area which a cover of what

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now shhh or something like that and the

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way that the whole thing was written it

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was done at the beginning of the 19th

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century was so poorly represented as far

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as as the way that we would do a map to

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Diane and you know wasn't an act an

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accurate survey it was just a sketch yes

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it was yeah yeah and because of that you

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know it had to be attempted so Nigel

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went through every single site on the

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whole of the plateau mentioned in the

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diary accounts ticking at them off

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against the letters until there was just

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one site that was missing and it was

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these caves and we had you know one

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double set of letters left marked and it

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almost was perfectly coinciding with

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what we'd already started to call the

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tomb of the bird so yeah we knew that we

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must be in the right area and that's why

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we went back because we thought well it

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can only be this cave I'm een you know

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there was a there was there was another

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tiny couple of of tombs nearby all of

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which by the way were unrecorded I mean

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they were not in any books the only the

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only reference to the tomb of the birds

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was from a guy called Howard advice back

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in about 1839 where it said that he and

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his British engineer friend John pairing

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had actually been inside the tomb not

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the caves and had found the that the

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bodies the mummies of birds of large

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birds in there which is obviously the

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reason why it's called the tomb of the

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birds to die and what this told us is

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that clearly these this tomb was

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associated with a cult to do with the

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particular god or goddess most obviously

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a god that was connected with birds

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probably the god Thoth for Toth who's

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associated with the Ibis as a bird a

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totem but perhaps the god

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sokar now he is the very ancient god of

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the dead who was connected with the gate

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a necropolis and his symbol was the hulk

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of falcon

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so it's possibility this could have been

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a sight of his eye fortunately there's

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no way of knowing because those bird

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mummies yeah we're not preserved through

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to modern times so we can't say but yeah

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this again told us something special was

371
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going on in that tome and that you know

372
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it could well be that the fact that

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somewhere there is an entrance into a

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cave system as a symbol of the Egyptian

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underworld known as the do act you know

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that it became a connected with the cult

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of the dead a cult of a particular God

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or whatever and I think we would

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probably obviously proof correct in that

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case that's the reason why it was

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associated with with this you know this

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God associated with a bird you know

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because it was this the whole Kai's were

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a physical representation of the

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Egyptian underworld known as the do act

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they are you know what it looks do wat

387
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ish for sure yeah it is it's creepy I

388
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mean yes it's an incredible video yeah

389
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so just out of interest so if any of

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your listeners want to go for this go to

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youtube and just put my name Andrew

392
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Collins or just put the Lost caves of

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Giza The Lost caves of Giza and that

394
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brings you up the video which was put

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together by Greg little who is the

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co-author of my current book Genesis and

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origins which come fully brings us on to

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that book and I'm pulling it up now I

399
00:19:20,810 --> 00:19:18,510
will get yeah here it is right here I

400
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will I'll get this up during the break

401
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and everybody needs to go and watch this

402
00:19:28,730 --> 00:19:25,679
it's a pretty incredible video proteger

403
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:28,740
yeah it's very well done as well I mean

404
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it's done an incredible job

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he got recreations reconstructions all

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sorts of stuff in there it's brilliantly

407
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put together video and it's it's free

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you just watch it

409
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say the title of your new book the

410
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discipline origins and we've already had

411
00:19:53,570 --> 00:19:50,640
a conversation on this about whether it

412
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should be Dennis oven or Denisovans

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and the answer is Denis oven because the

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people that came up with this name who

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were members of the Max Planck Institute

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of Physical Anthropology at Leipzig in

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Germany you know did this was that I may

418
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come up with this was the pronunciation

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00:20:19,460 --> 00:20:15,510
Denis oven and it's after the Denis of a

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cave which is where we learn about the

421
00:20:22,730 --> 00:20:20,940
people were going to be talking about

422
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:22,740
and that's the Denisovans for the first

423
00:20:26,570 --> 00:20:24,930
time you know it becomes what's known as

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their type sight you know the place

425
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where there where there remains a first

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found that you know evidence of their

427
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:33,750
culture this is first excavated and

428
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:37,050
identified so you know and and the

429
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:38,610
reason why it's called Denis of a cave

430
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:42,930
is because in the 18th century there was

431
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I a monk or a hermit who actually lived

432
00:20:52,370 --> 00:20:48,530
in the Chi and his name was Dennis ah

433
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:52,380
sorry Dennis ah and you know you have to

434
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:54,330
remember the we're in Russia here so

435
00:20:57,980 --> 00:20:55,530
everything's pronounced slightly

436
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:57,990
different to how we might do in in the

437
00:21:01,700 --> 00:21:00,240
West you know it's not gayness you know

438
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:01,710
like I might say in England you know

439
00:21:07,460 --> 00:21:03,810
Lorraine it's you know

440
00:21:09,380 --> 00:21:07,470
denisa and you know and I've also

441
00:21:11,570 --> 00:21:09,390
verified that with with some of my

442
00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:11,580
Eastern European friends I've said look

443
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:14,160
you know if you see this this night you

444
00:21:19,610 --> 00:21:17,520
know did you know did it dallisa how is

445
00:21:22,730 --> 00:21:19,620
it pronounced and you know they say the

446
00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:22,740
same so it is Denisovans not Denisovans

447
00:21:27,710 --> 00:21:24,510
i suppose to some people it's going to

448
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:27,720
be tomato and tomato isn't it but okay I

449
00:21:33,950 --> 00:21:30,650
mean it's it's pretty it's definitely

450
00:21:36,140 --> 00:21:33,960
pronounced Dennis of it so now and and

451
00:21:40,790 --> 00:21:36,150
you mentioned you know that this is

452
00:21:42,740 --> 00:21:40,800
Russia specifically Siberia and as we

453
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:42,750
get into this discussion tonight there

454
00:21:48,290 --> 00:21:45,810
is a lot to talk about here obviously in

455
00:21:50,540 --> 00:21:48,300
the title where we've got hybrid humans

456
00:21:53,810 --> 00:21:50,550
and Gobekli tapping the genesis of

457
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:53,820
giants in ancient America there's a lot

458
00:22:00,650 --> 00:21:56,970
to go over but there is and it's an

459
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:00,660
incredible read and I've now started my

460
00:22:06,530 --> 00:22:03,840
second pass through the book it's

461
00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:06,540
absolutely well written you do the first

462
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:07,320
half of the book

463
00:22:13,220 --> 00:22:10,890
Gregory little does the second half

464
00:22:18,140 --> 00:22:13,230
great illustrations and it's laid out

465
00:22:20,420 --> 00:22:18,150
well but there was one and we got to get

466
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into who they are and worth that's

467
00:22:26,150 --> 00:22:22,410
that's very very important that there

468
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:26,160
was one fact that has pointed out in

469
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:27,930
this book and I had to go back and do

470
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some research I didn't realize this that

471
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there is some mitochondria DNA evidence

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of the of the Denisovan interaction all

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the way up to 15,000 BC and right that's

474
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pretty incredible when we think about

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00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:54,510
you know Neanderthal or whether we're

476
00:23:01,450 --> 00:22:57,570
reaching back to you know 35 40 50

477
00:23:06,410 --> 00:23:01,460
thousand years ago and cro-magnon but

478
00:23:09,140 --> 00:23:06,420
were were they around to 15,000 BC am i

479
00:23:12,050 --> 00:23:09,150
understanding correctly I mean you know

480
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,060
I mean obviously we haven't got a window

481
00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:14,400
into fifteen thousand years ago to give

482
00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:17,220
us the exact answer but the evidence of

483
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:22,470
this comes from genetics you see I mean

484
00:23:26,510 --> 00:23:24,330
let's just go into the story I mean

485
00:23:30,350 --> 00:23:26,520
before 2010 we didn't even know anything

486
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:30,360
about the Denisovans but in in that year

487
00:23:35,410 --> 00:23:32,490
I piece a finger bone that had been

488
00:23:38,420 --> 00:23:35,420
found two years early inside that kind

489
00:23:41,450 --> 00:23:38,430
inside an Occupational level that was

490
00:23:43,940 --> 00:23:41,460
full of cultural artifacts going back to

491
00:23:48,410 --> 00:23:43,950
about forty to fifty thousand years ago

492
00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:48,420
when they sequenced the genome of this

493
00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:50,760
little finger bone they found that it

494
00:23:58,010 --> 00:23:54,840
belonged to a type of of human that was

495
00:23:59,390 --> 00:23:58,020
not Neanderthal and was not an atomic or

496
00:24:03,710 --> 00:23:59,400
modern humans in other words Homo

497
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:03,720
sapiens it was brand-new and yeah I mean

498
00:24:08,450 --> 00:24:05,610
this stunned them because I mean

499
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:08,460
obviously we knew about the Neanderthals

500
00:24:14,030 --> 00:24:11,010
back in the 19th century and you know

501
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:14,040
we've got you know at least a dozen to

502
00:24:20,570 --> 00:24:17,130
20 full skeletons plus hundreds of other

503
00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:20,580
bones and sky

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00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:24,270
and whatever of them and obviously we've

505
00:24:30,530 --> 00:24:28,050
got the you know that the the anatomical

506
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:30,540
remains of ourselves going back you know

507
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:33,810
two hundred thousand years ago but we

508
00:24:39,170 --> 00:24:35,910
certainly have not seen these people

509
00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:39,180
before so they gain the name Dennis

510
00:24:42,790 --> 00:24:41,310
Verne from the people that did the the

511
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sequencing which was the Max Planck

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00:24:49,910 --> 00:24:47,520
Institute in Germany and we started to

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00:24:53,540 --> 00:24:49,920
look at who they were their culture

514
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:53,550
their achievements based on all of the

515
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:55,050
artifacts that were found and we'll talk

516
00:25:01,010 --> 00:24:57,690
about those but what also became very

517
00:25:04,060 --> 00:25:01,020
apparent very quickly was that there was

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a number of modern human populations

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that had a percentage of Denisovan DNA

520
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:15,030
and this DNA word was both mitochondrial

521
00:25:20,090 --> 00:25:17,970
in and mitochondrial DNA is the DNA of

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00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:20,100
the bacteria in our bodies it's

523
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essential and it's like the workers on

524
00:25:28,670 --> 00:25:26,760
behalf of the cells but it is bacteria

525
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:28,680
it's it's in it was introduced at some

526
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:30,090
point you know that the so called

527
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:32,760
mitochondrial Eve was supposedly the

528
00:25:38,660 --> 00:25:37,200
first person that had all of this and it

529
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:38,670
was then passed on through the female

530
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:42,050
line down to the modern day but because

531
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:45,210
mitochondrial DNA mutates at a fairly

532
00:25:52,580 --> 00:25:49,260
regular right each different mutation

533
00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:52,590
has its own designation you know would

534
00:26:00,800 --> 00:25:56,510
it be my capra group I be CD or whatever

535
00:26:03,860 --> 00:26:00,810
we we can somehow recognize this and

536
00:26:05,780 --> 00:26:03,870
start piecing the jigsaw together and

537
00:26:08,150 --> 00:26:05,790
create like a family tree based on it

538
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:08,160
that's what mitochondrial DNA is about

539
00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:11,090
but there's also obviously nuclear DNA

540
00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:16,020
and the nuclear D&I relates specifically

541
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:20,520
to what builds us you know what creates

542
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:22,980
our figures creates our eyes creates our

543
00:26:29,150 --> 00:26:26,100
toes creates our brains makes us think

544
00:26:30,830 --> 00:26:29,160
makes us work and makes us who we are

545
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:30,840
and of course obviously that also

546
00:26:33,820 --> 00:26:32,460
mutates but in a slightly different

547
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:33,830
manner

548
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:37,850
what we can say is that the genes that

549
00:26:42,369 --> 00:26:40,730
make up the genome you know I found

550
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:42,379
again and again within humans obviously

551
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:44,450
because you know the same ones make

552
00:26:51,850 --> 00:26:47,690
fingers in everybody but when you start

553
00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:51,860
finding genes that are not part of our

554
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:54,049
own genome you've gotta say where do

555
00:26:58,180 --> 00:26:56,210
they come from well in a lot of cases we

556
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:58,190
don't know but what we do know now is

557
00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:01,039
that some of them came from the

558
00:27:05,950 --> 00:27:03,470
Denisovans just in the same way that

559
00:27:09,220 --> 00:27:05,960
some of them came from the Neanderthals

560
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,230
a lot of people in the Western world in

561
00:27:15,639 --> 00:27:11,840
fact also the eastern world as well

562
00:27:19,629 --> 00:27:15,649
certainly in Eurasia have Neanderthal

563
00:27:22,779 --> 00:27:19,639
DNA anything up to 2 to 3 percent but a

564
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:22,789
lot of people in eastern Asia southern

565
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:25,970
Asia Southeast Asia places like Papua

566
00:27:32,590 --> 00:27:29,330
New Guinea and Australia have Denisovan

567
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:32,600
DNA in anything up to a percentage of

568
00:27:43,479 --> 00:27:35,929
around five to six five to six percent

569
00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:43,489
some as some as high as 17% no not as

570
00:27:48,999 --> 00:27:45,830
far as I'm aware I mean these are

571
00:27:50,739 --> 00:27:49,009
averages obviously right so you know in

572
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:50,749
other words say for instance it said

573
00:27:58,899 --> 00:27:56,480
that you know 3% is has been found in a

574
00:28:01,119 --> 00:27:58,909
particular population what that means is

575
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:01,129
that some people could have none but

576
00:28:06,369 --> 00:28:04,129
some people could have six that's the

577
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:06,379
way it works so that's the average of

578
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:08,809
what you can find and that's averaged

579
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:12,320
over an entire population that's why it

580
00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:14,330
works but having said that it generally

581
00:28:21,220 --> 00:28:18,710
does keep around a certain percentage

582
00:28:23,529 --> 00:28:21,230
which sometimes it going up sometimes it

583
00:28:25,509 --> 00:28:23,539
going down slightly I mean this is the

584
00:28:28,690 --> 00:28:25,519
case for instance with various Native

585
00:28:31,239 --> 00:28:28,700
American tribes they have a potential of

586
00:28:35,009 --> 00:28:31,249
anything up to 3%

587
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:35,019
Denisov and DLI for instance the egde if

588
00:28:40,659 --> 00:28:37,809
you were in the Great Lakes region

589
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,669
they've got quite a percentage but that

590
00:28:46,180 --> 00:28:43,039
doesn't mean if you pinned down a jib

591
00:28:47,620 --> 00:28:46,190
worth today and extract his DNA that

592
00:28:49,270 --> 00:28:47,630
he's gonna have 3%

593
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:49,280
the potential of anything up to that

594
00:28:53,730 --> 00:28:51,410
that's what's been found but generally

595
00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:53,740
it's actually a lot lower than that but

596
00:28:59,550 --> 00:28:57,710
going back to the 15,000 years ago what

597
00:29:03,040 --> 00:28:59,560
they found is that there are certain

598
00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:03,050
populations particularly in Papua New

599
00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:05,720
Guinea and the Philippines and with a

600
00:29:14,410 --> 00:29:10,460
with some also in Java in Indonesia that

601
00:29:17,770 --> 00:29:14,420
have a type of Denisovan DNA that looks

602
00:29:20,350 --> 00:29:17,780
no now I have no idea how that works I

603
00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:20,360
mean I'm not a geneticist I can only

604
00:29:25,330 --> 00:29:22,310
report yeah because my background is

605
00:29:28,570 --> 00:29:25,340
journalism but you know that when they

606
00:29:32,610 --> 00:29:28,580
look at it they say the type of DNA here

607
00:29:36,730 --> 00:29:32,620
looks younger than what we expected for

608
00:29:39,790 --> 00:29:36,740
the Denisovans in other areas and we

609
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:39,800
suspect therefore that it must have been

610
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:42,410
part of what they call an intra gresham

611
00:29:49,780 --> 00:29:45,110
that means you know interbreeding at a

612
00:29:53,890 --> 00:29:49,790
much later date as late as 15,000 years

613
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:53,900
ago so what they're saying is that it is

614
00:29:59,740 --> 00:29:56,210
possible that there were Denisovans

615
00:30:02,170 --> 00:29:59,750
hanging around through and tell 15,000

616
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:02,180
years ago but on the other hand they

617
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:06,170
could have been Denisovan hybrids in

618
00:30:12,550 --> 00:30:09,290
other words human stroke Denisovan

619
00:30:14,650 --> 00:30:12,560
hybrids which were very strongly

620
00:30:17,710 --> 00:30:14,660
Denisovan in other words so strong that

621
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:17,720
they passed on strong dreams at that

622
00:30:23,470 --> 00:30:20,840
time so we don't know but it is possible

623
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:23,480
yes that something is events hang around

624
00:30:27,730 --> 00:30:25,850
until 15,000 years ago and as you say

625
00:30:30,790 --> 00:30:27,740
it's fairly modern you know I mean it's

626
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:30,800
the end of the last ice age which

627
00:30:38,650 --> 00:30:33,130
technically it was about 13,000 BC

628
00:30:40,810 --> 00:30:38,660
15,000 years ago and you know just

629
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,820
before the the big Cataclysm which we

630
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,320
now know took place the so-called

631
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:45,200
Younger Dryas impact event which

632
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:48,770
occurred in 10,000 sorry

633
00:30:52,750 --> 00:30:51,050
eleven thousand six hundred years ago so

634
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:52,760
you know just shortly after that time

635
00:30:56,770 --> 00:30:55,250
really well let me jump in let me jump

636
00:30:58,900 --> 00:30:56,780
in right there we need to take our break

637
00:31:01,030 --> 00:30:58,910
and we're just gonna pick up or we're

638
00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:01,040
leaving off right here

639
00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:03,080
this is fade to black iron Merrill's to

640
00:31:08,770 --> 00:31:05,150
me church it's an incredible part of our

641
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:08,780
history and it's so well done in Andrews

642
00:31:12,670 --> 00:31:11,090
new book we're gonna discuss all of it

643
00:31:14,530 --> 00:31:12,680
tonight this is fade to black I'm your

644
00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:14,540
host Jimmy church on the GameChanger

645
00:31:19,540 --> 00:31:17,720
network and kg are a the planet stay

646
00:31:34,930 --> 00:31:19,550
with us we'll be right back

647
00:31:41,410 --> 00:31:39,160
[Music]

648
00:31:43,390 --> 00:31:41,420
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

649
00:31:46,570 --> 00:31:43,400
real shimmy Church tonight our guest

650
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:46,580
Andrew Collins we're talking about his

651
00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:49,760
new book Denis oven origins it's

652
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:51,920
incredible hybrid humans gobekli tepe

653
00:31:58,090 --> 00:31:54,320
and the genesis of giants of ancient

654
00:32:01,090 --> 00:31:58,100
america there is a lot in this book it

655
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:01,100
is illustrated great color section in

656
00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:03,530
the middle by the way really well done

657
00:32:10,420 --> 00:32:06,950
and it's very comprehensive Andrew and

658
00:32:14,410 --> 00:32:10,430
for me this is the kind of stuff that I

659
00:32:16,510 --> 00:32:14,420
enjoy and it's a tremendous read we left

660
00:32:20,620 --> 00:32:16,520
off right before the break talking about

661
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:20,630
the Younger Dryas and the one thing that

662
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:23,600
this book I get the feeling of and this

663
00:32:29,410 --> 00:32:26,210
is because we're gonna get into the

664
00:32:33,010 --> 00:32:29,420
Younger Dryas now where we left off is

665
00:32:35,740 --> 00:32:33,020
that I've always felt that looking at

666
00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:35,750
gobekli tepe and I know I'm saying it

667
00:32:41,140 --> 00:32:38,740
wrong I don't say it is as well as you

668
00:32:43,870 --> 00:32:41,150
looking at gobekli tepe and you know

669
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,880
that we have discussed it so much on the

670
00:32:50,290 --> 00:32:46,000
show it's such a big push of what we do

671
00:32:54,190 --> 00:32:50,300
I had always felt that the construction

672
00:32:56,770 --> 00:32:54,200
of Gobekli Tepe came from the north the

673
00:32:58,540 --> 00:32:56,780
the possibility of everything coming

674
00:33:01,720 --> 00:32:58,550
from the south and Out of Africa and

675
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:01,730
going north it okay that that's nice but

676
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:04,970
I felt like it came from the north and

677
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:08,210
possibly out of Siberia is this where

678
00:33:13,810 --> 00:33:11,330
the book is this the foundation of what

679
00:33:17,470 --> 00:33:13,820
you're trying to present yeah I mean

680
00:33:19,650 --> 00:33:17,480
your intuition is 100% accurate and it's

681
00:33:22,390 --> 00:33:19,660
interested that you should feel that way

682
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:22,400
you know it's almost like you know when

683
00:33:28,210 --> 00:33:25,390
people look at it they get a sense of

684
00:33:29,950 --> 00:33:28,220
origins and you know exactly what is

685
00:33:32,530 --> 00:33:29,960
going on there you know something deep

686
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:32,540
inside something ancestral that tells us

687
00:33:37,030 --> 00:33:34,610
where this came from so let's talk about

688
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:37,040
gobekli tepe by the way I think he was

689
00:33:41,890 --> 00:33:38,690
you were saying it pretty accurately

690
00:33:45,630 --> 00:33:41,900
actually now this is a place which

691
00:33:48,220 --> 00:33:45,640
obviously I mean I first went to in 2004

692
00:33:49,870 --> 00:33:48,230
and at that time there was nobody there

693
00:33:52,909 --> 00:33:49,880
in fact there was no there wasn't even a

694
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:52,919
round a proper road to it

695
00:33:59,310 --> 00:33:58,450
and I I was there for this big cultural

696
00:34:01,259 --> 00:33:59,320
festival

697
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:01,269
place called aya back arch is the

698
00:34:06,329 --> 00:34:03,369
administrative center of Southeast

699
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:06,339
Turkey and you know I said as part of

700
00:34:11,279 --> 00:34:08,079
the deal you know could I see some of

701
00:34:13,619 --> 00:34:11,289
these sites I've written about you know

702
00:34:15,329 --> 00:34:13,629
like you know these these are the sort

703
00:34:17,099 --> 00:34:15,339
of Neolithic places I've been talking

704
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:17,109
about in books like from the ashes of

705
00:34:24,839 --> 00:34:22,000
angels gods of Eden and others and I

706
00:34:26,789 --> 00:34:24,849
said yeah sure you know just just get

707
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:26,799
you know what will give you a car give

708
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:28,210
you a driver will give you an

709
00:34:32,909 --> 00:34:30,609
interpreter brilliant so we went to see

710
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:32,919
all these great sites including of

711
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:35,770
course Quebec liter play and I mean that

712
00:34:39,809 --> 00:34:37,450
we could see where it was I knew it was

713
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,819
marked by this lone tree on on the top

714
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:42,399
of a hill we just couldn't get to it so

715
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,369
we had we drove through fields to get

716
00:34:48,930 --> 00:34:46,960
there and eventually the car just

717
00:34:51,869 --> 00:34:48,940
couldn't go any further and I just

718
00:34:53,490 --> 00:34:51,879
walked down valleys and up up hills to

719
00:34:56,490 --> 00:34:53,500
get there there was no one there I was

720
00:34:58,380 --> 00:34:56,500
with my ex-wife obviously our you know

721
00:35:00,420 --> 00:34:58,390
driver and interpreter came with us and

722
00:35:02,609 --> 00:35:00,430
the only people that came across was the

723
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:02,619
local farmer and his son who came across

724
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:05,770
to shake our hands and say hi that was

725
00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:09,839
it you know and and and also most of the

726
00:35:14,819 --> 00:35:12,760
the important stones that we now know

727
00:35:16,799 --> 00:35:14,829
about like the vulture stone hadn't even

728
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,809
been uncovered at this time I mean you

729
00:35:20,430 --> 00:35:18,640
know you could see the heads of them but

730
00:35:22,349 --> 00:35:20,440
they didn't know what was actually on

731
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:22,359
their stems all the beautiful carvings

732
00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:26,650
so I wrote about that in a book called

733
00:35:35,849 --> 00:35:29,880
the Cygnus mystery which came out in

734
00:35:39,380 --> 00:35:35,859
2016 sorry 2006 and I did a lot of work

735
00:35:42,779 --> 00:35:39,390
on Quebec attempt I suggested that the

736
00:35:45,150 --> 00:35:42,789
that's the different stone enclosures

737
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:45,160
their axis was orientated towards the

738
00:35:49,650 --> 00:35:47,410
north towards the stars of the

739
00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:49,660
constellation of Cygnus the celestial

740
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:52,660
bird this being a soul bird in many

741
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:55,210
different cultures of the of the

742
00:36:00,920 --> 00:35:58,450
Northern Hemisphere and I felt that you

743
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:00,930
know there was some kind of soul journey

744
00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:05,680
involved using the symbol of the vulture

745
00:36:08,730 --> 00:36:06,700
which was the

746
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:08,740
ultimate symbol of death and rebirth in

747
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:12,400
the neolithic period and that you know

748
00:36:17,579 --> 00:36:15,520
they believed in some kind of sky world

749
00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:17,589
entered through the constellation of

750
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:19,720
Cygnus and that's what I wrote in the

751
00:36:28,109 --> 00:36:23,410
Cygnus mystery and then years later they

752
00:36:29,490 --> 00:36:28,119
find this beautiful stone stone 43 Cup

753
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:29,500
which we now know as a vulture style

754
00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:31,570
which is which is almost like this sky

755
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:34,630
map of different creatures that are

756
00:36:39,569 --> 00:36:37,570
quite clearly representing the night sky

757
00:36:42,750 --> 00:36:39,579
and I think that virtually every

758
00:36:44,190 --> 00:36:42,760
researcher who looks at that stone has

759
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:44,200
come to that conclusion they haven't

760
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:45,609
necessarily always come to the

761
00:36:49,710 --> 00:36:47,410
conclusion about what stars or

762
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:49,720
constellations are being represented but

763
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:53,890
I mean for instance one of the one of

764
00:36:59,370 --> 00:36:55,839
the the the the animals on their

765
00:37:03,660 --> 00:36:59,380
creatures is a scorpion mm-hmm which as

766
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:03,670
early as I think 2008 I RKO astronomer

767
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:06,930
astronomer by the name of one Belmonte

768
00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:08,530
suggested was the earliest

769
00:37:13,470 --> 00:37:10,990
representation of the constellation of

770
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:13,480
Scorpius which we know was later

771
00:37:19,230 --> 00:37:16,720
identified by Mesopotamian cultures like

772
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:19,240
the Sumerians and the Akkadians and the

773
00:37:26,010 --> 00:37:23,250
Babylonians as a scorpion so you know he

774
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,020
proposed that so that was the beginning

775
00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:29,200
really to say right well if if there's a

776
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:31,480
scorpion on there what is the the

777
00:37:37,740 --> 00:37:33,310
vulture represent well it was somebody

778
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:37,750
else actually an armenian academic who

779
00:37:43,470 --> 00:37:40,410
came back and said that vulture is a

780
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:43,480
representation of Cygnus as the main

781
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:46,290
feature on the whole of this stone

782
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:48,730
because that's the way sickness looked

783
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:52,569
back in about 9500 BC you know it had

784
00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:53,650
like this too strange

785
00:37:57,660 --> 00:37:55,960
w shaped wings is this creature and you

786
00:38:01,470 --> 00:37:57,670
could put all the stars within it

787
00:38:02,670 --> 00:38:01,480
perfectly and what's interesting is the

788
00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:02,680
reason why these armenians were

789
00:38:08,670 --> 00:38:05,700
interested in this is because in armenia

790
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:08,680
the constellation of Cygnus is not a

791
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:11,650
swan it's a it's a vulture and it's also

792
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:13,930
a vulture in the Near East it's also a

793
00:38:19,470 --> 00:38:18,640
vulture in Greece as well as it is as a

794
00:38:21,810 --> 00:38:19,480
swan

795
00:38:25,410 --> 00:38:21,820
and so that's how they were able to

796
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:25,420
identify it so easily and of course this

797
00:38:30,990 --> 00:38:27,730
came together perfectly with what had

798
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,000
already suggested to do with the the

799
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:33,760
astronomy of Gobekli Tepe that the stone

800
00:38:39,690 --> 00:38:36,130
enclosures were orientated towards the

801
00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:39,700
north towards this point on the horizon

802
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:42,220
where the brightest star Cygnus would

803
00:38:50,070 --> 00:38:46,210
set each night but anyway coming back to

804
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:50,080
the the origins of these ideas well in

805
00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:52,510
the book about the temple genesis of the

806
00:38:58,340 --> 00:38:55,300
gods which came out in 2014

807
00:39:01,530 --> 00:38:58,350
I obviously furthered these ideas and

808
00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:01,540
what I tried to show was that there was

809
00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:04,750
considerable evidence to demonstrate

810
00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:07,180
that the people that had constructed

811
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:08,830
about except I must have come from the

812
00:39:17,220 --> 00:39:13,210
north probably via the Caucasus region

813
00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:17,230
which is the mountain range between the

814
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:19,960
Black Sea towards the West and the

815
00:39:24,990 --> 00:39:22,450
Caspian Sea towards the east and that

816
00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:25,000
they come from probably beyond that on

817
00:39:29,099 --> 00:39:28,270
the Russian steppe somewhere now that's

818
00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:29,109
what I said

819
00:39:35,070 --> 00:39:31,630
now I pinpointed a particular culture

820
00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:35,080
known as the Swede Aryans and they

821
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:39,070
ranged in their territories from the

822
00:39:46,109 --> 00:39:42,240
Ural Mountains in the East to the

823
00:39:48,450 --> 00:39:46,119
Carpathian Mountains of the West now the

824
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:48,460
Carpathians obviously is in the region

825
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:53,040
of places like Romania Hungary Poland

826
00:39:59,520 --> 00:39:56,280
etc etc and ice as far as they went and

827
00:40:02,640 --> 00:39:59,530
what I showed is that the stone tools

828
00:40:03,060 --> 00:40:02,650
that were being discovered at gobekli

829
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,070
tepe

830
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:05,680
matched almost exactly those of the

831
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:09,730
swede aryan peoples but I that time this

832
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:12,730
was like a great discovery for me and I

833
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:14,410
put this in the book but now I know a

834
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:16,810
hell of a lot more about it and what we

835
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:20,640
can say is that the style of stone talks

836
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:24,420
particularly what they call micro blades

837
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,730
and blade technology and the way that

838
00:40:33,210 --> 00:40:30,160
the certain types of these blades are

839
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:33,220
manufactured using a process known as

840
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:35,890
like king is something that is very

841
00:40:43,370 --> 00:40:39,280
easily traced it's like a paper trail if

842
00:40:47,490 --> 00:40:43,380
you like that begins in the area of

843
00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:47,500
Siberia passes through the area of the

844
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:51,700
orals and then very gradually pushes its

845
00:40:57,420 --> 00:40:54,160
way westwards and then eventually

846
00:41:00,920 --> 00:40:57,430
southwest woods down through the

847
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:00,930
Caucasus into the area of Gobekli Tepe

848
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:07,090
about 9600 BC so we can safely say that

849
00:41:10,740 --> 00:41:09,250
there is a very good chance that the

850
00:41:13,140 --> 00:41:10,750
people that constructing about the type

851
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:13,150
I certainly their ancestors at least

852
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:15,970
came from as far east as the oil

853
00:41:21,630 --> 00:41:18,330
mountains or even beyond there in

854
00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:21,640
Siberia and this is very important and

855
00:41:24,930 --> 00:41:23,470
it's this is again although something

856
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:24,940
that I've written about now and in my

857
00:41:29,339 --> 00:41:27,280
books others are also beginning to talk

858
00:41:32,370 --> 00:41:29,349
about it for instance

859
00:41:35,070 --> 00:41:32,380
well being a let me let me jump in

860
00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:35,080
really quick because you mentioned

861
00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:36,760
something I don't want this to get away

862
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:41,470
from us you brought up Armenia and there

863
00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:47,200
is just because gobekli tepe is in

864
00:41:55,290 --> 00:41:50,950
modern-day turkey Turkey these are

865
00:41:59,720 --> 00:41:55,300
boundaries that are modern Turkey is 600

866
00:42:02,940 --> 00:41:59,730
years old before turkey all of this area

867
00:42:07,260 --> 00:42:02,950
from the Mediterranean all the way east

868
00:42:10,890 --> 00:42:07,270
was the Armenian highlands going back

869
00:42:15,210 --> 00:42:10,900
through millennia this is a very very

870
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:15,220
ancient culture and right and I think

871
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:18,250
that that influence there from Armenia

872
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:21,010
going from Armenia west into modern-day

873
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,130
Turkey where gobekli tepe is there is a

874
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:26,800
connection yeah absolutely and I think

875
00:42:31,230 --> 00:42:28,450
this is really important to point out

876
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:31,240
you know so in other words the fact that

877
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:34,480
the Armenians are identifying a vulture

878
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:37,599
a sickness on that stone has a relevance

879
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:40,630
here because this used to be Armenia you

880
00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:42,790
know where you know Cygnus is still a

881
00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:45,670
vulture to this die so that that's a

882
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:46,900
very very important point

883
00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:49,210
they are and yeah I mean up there are

884
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:52,060
millions in the area of Quebec tepuy and

885
00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:54,850
it's nearby city of Chandler fir right

886
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,710
the way through and tell that the First

887
00:43:01,560 --> 00:42:58,480
World War when of course obviously there

888
00:43:03,570 --> 00:43:01,570
was the terrible jazz Armenian Genocide

889
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:03,580
was still not recognized by certain

890
00:43:10,260 --> 00:43:06,130
countries to this day which is a

891
00:43:11,940 --> 00:43:10,270
terrible travesty of justice and you

892
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:11,950
know they were either wiped out

893
00:43:17,810 --> 00:43:15,670
completely by the Turks or those that

894
00:43:22,650 --> 00:43:17,820
you know we're fortunate enough to flee

895
00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:22,660
made it back into into Armenia or what

896
00:43:28,650 --> 00:43:26,680
is to take our Armenia and that's it

897
00:43:31,050 --> 00:43:28,660
obviously they're after that territories

898
00:43:33,450 --> 00:43:31,060
which were already obviously Anatolia

899
00:43:35,130 --> 00:43:33,460
but it still had you know a lot of

900
00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:35,140
Armenians living there but at the time

901
00:43:40,590 --> 00:43:37,660
the First World War you know now there

902
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:40,600
was this this literal ethnic cleansing

903
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:43,690
you know meant that the only people that

904
00:43:47,010 --> 00:43:45,310
were left there were the Kurds and of

905
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:47,020
course they're getting a massive hard

906
00:43:55,110 --> 00:43:50,400
time to die but that's a different story

907
00:43:58,140 --> 00:43:55,120
but so so coming back to what I was

908
00:44:01,230 --> 00:43:58,150
saying about the origins of Gobekli Tepe

909
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,240
I think we can safely say to die that

910
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:04,000
whoever it was that constructed it did

911
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:05,770
come from the north they probably were

912
00:44:09,450 --> 00:44:07,570
linked with the squidy Aryans who I call

913
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:09,460
a carrier culture they were they were

914
00:44:15,540 --> 00:44:12,130
carrying these traditions you know from

915
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:15,550
the least through to the West but even

916
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:19,810
then what we're looking at is a wave of

917
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:21,910
activity to do with stone tool

918
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,400
technology and other types of technology

919
00:44:32,090 --> 00:44:27,040
and culture and cosmology that had been

920
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:32,100
pulsing out of Siberia since at least

921
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:35,490
45,000 years ago and that had inspired

922
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:39,420
various other earlier cultures in Europe

923
00:44:46,020 --> 00:44:43,030
most obviously the solutrean s-- the

924
00:44:49,940 --> 00:44:46,030
solutrean are a people that we associate

925
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:49,950
with Southwest Europe created the most

926
00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:53,640
beautiful stone tools and stone points

927
00:45:01,170 --> 00:44:56,950
anywhere in the world basically between

928
00:45:04,590 --> 00:45:01,180
about 20 and 15 thousand BC

929
00:45:07,050 --> 00:45:04,600
and created so many technical

930
00:45:09,180 --> 00:45:07,060
innovations which they've been deprived

931
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:09,190
of for reasons we may or may not get

932
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,050
into including the fact that they

933
00:45:15,870 --> 00:45:12,960
created the earliest standing stones

934
00:45:20,190 --> 00:45:15,880
anywhere in the world you know and they

935
00:45:23,010 --> 00:45:20,200
did beautiful carved stone reliefs in a

936
00:45:26,340 --> 00:45:23,020
similar manner to what we find at Quebec

937
00:45:28,530 --> 00:45:26,350
eat a pie even though there's no

938
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:28,540
absolute direct link between the two

939
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,290
what we can say is that all of the ideas

940
00:45:37,290 --> 00:45:34,000
that end up going to Quebec eat a pie

941
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:37,300
and inspiring the solutrean of Western

942
00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:40,000
Europe come from a common source and

943
00:45:44,490 --> 00:45:42,430
that common source is going to be found

944
00:45:45,260 --> 00:45:44,500
somewhere in the area of the mountains

945
00:45:49,790 --> 00:45:45,270
and beyond

946
00:45:52,830 --> 00:45:49,800
into Siberia and even beyond that into

947
00:45:55,260 --> 00:45:52,840
Mongolia which is immediately to the

948
00:45:58,740 --> 00:45:55,270
south of Siberia which is somewhere

949
00:46:00,750 --> 00:45:58,750
that's on the radar of archaeologists

950
00:46:05,070 --> 00:46:00,760
today as being one of the main areas

951
00:46:08,730 --> 00:46:05,080
where our own ancestors first came in

952
00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:08,740
contact with the Denisovans and what I

953
00:46:15,090 --> 00:46:11,230
am saying in this book what Greg and I

954
00:46:19,410 --> 00:46:15,100
are obviously saying is that the

955
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:19,420
Denisovans handed our ancestors on a

956
00:46:27,450 --> 00:46:24,690
plight the rudiments of civilization

957
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:27,460
technologies advancements in different

958
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:29,650
areas so I think that maybe we should

959
00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:32,290
start looking at what's actually been

960
00:46:39,660 --> 00:46:36,070
found in this cave in Siberia as an

961
00:46:43,410 --> 00:46:39,670
example of how advanced the Denisovans

962
00:46:46,590 --> 00:46:43,420
were for instance you know if you

963
00:46:50,070 --> 00:46:46,600
haven't already looked it up have a look

964
00:46:52,830 --> 00:46:50,080
at the dennis event bracelet just put it

965
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:52,840
into the Google search have a look at it

966
00:46:58,620 --> 00:46:56,160
now it's these fragments of eye

967
00:47:02,040 --> 00:46:58,630
beautiful what we'd probably call today

968
00:47:05,940 --> 00:47:02,050
arm bang bangle but you know they call

969
00:47:10,310 --> 00:47:05,950
it a bracelet which is made of a green

970
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:10,320
stone called clarity light which has

971
00:47:14,130 --> 00:47:13,450
which is green through a particular

972
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:14,140
mineral called

973
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:17,529
chlorite and it's it's a beautiful thing

974
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:18,910
I mean it's beautifully polished

975
00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:22,680
beautifully finished and it has a hole

976
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:25,390
penetrated through it which when it was

977
00:47:31,980 --> 00:47:28,930
examined under the microscope showed a

978
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:31,990
feed rate of the drill so fast that it

979
00:47:39,170 --> 00:47:35,680
was comparable to a modern-day drill now

980
00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:39,180
this doesn't mean that these guys had

981
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:41,140
electric drills or anything like that

982
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:43,839
but what it does tell us is that they

983
00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:47,049
were innovative enough to create high

984
00:47:52,460 --> 00:47:49,960
speed drills that they were spinning

985
00:47:55,259 --> 00:47:52,470
very fast and it could create house

986
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:55,269
incredibly fast but in addition to this

987
00:48:00,930 --> 00:47:58,450
we know that they created the earliest

988
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:00,940
musical instruments in the form of the

989
00:48:08,220 --> 00:48:03,250
discovery of fragments of either a bone

990
00:48:12,089 --> 00:48:08,230
or a float in the Denisova lyre the term

991
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:12,099
that the Dennis were cave they also

992
00:48:18,059 --> 00:48:15,569
created the earliest bone needles which

993
00:48:24,049 --> 00:48:18,069
almost certainly were used to create

994
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:24,059
tailored clothing the DNA and bones of a

995
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:27,250
particular type of hoax that roamed

996
00:48:32,970 --> 00:48:30,400
Siberia and Mongolia at the time had

997
00:48:35,849 --> 00:48:32,980
been found in the cave suggesting to

998
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:35,859
some that the nestlings may have even

999
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:39,910
ridden hoaxes and beyond that they were

1000
00:48:45,150 --> 00:48:43,119
using oka as pencils so what were they

1001
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:45,160
doing was was this body paint was it

1002
00:48:51,210 --> 00:48:48,130
kvar or could they have been creating

1003
00:48:53,759 --> 00:48:51,220
glyphs you know and possibly even you

1004
00:48:56,249 --> 00:48:53,769
know the sort of symbols that we

1005
00:49:00,269 --> 00:48:56,259
eventually end up seeing the places like

1006
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:00,279
Tibet Lee tepuy and beyond that is this

1007
00:49:06,329 --> 00:49:03,849
total technology they originally had a

1008
00:49:10,499 --> 00:49:06,339
stone tectonic astone technology which

1009
00:49:12,809 --> 00:49:10,509
was similar to the Neanderthals which is

1010
00:49:17,819 --> 00:49:12,819
known as mysterion that as a particular

1011
00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:17,829
style but they swapped over to create a

1012
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:21,720
new style type of blade technology about

1013
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:26,049
50,000 years ago which then is inherited

1014
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:27,970
by our own ancestor

1015
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:29,890
there's and what the archaeologists are

1016
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:31,690
saying is that that particular type of

1017
00:49:38,609 --> 00:49:35,440
stone technology probably was gifted to

1018
00:49:41,339 --> 00:49:38,619
us in Mongolia northern Mongolia south

1019
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:41,349
of the huge Inland Sea known as Lake

1020
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:46,660
Baikal around 45,000 years ago and you

1021
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:48,250
know this is new this is this is

1022
00:49:52,589 --> 00:49:49,810
something that's only come out in the

1023
00:49:54,839 --> 00:49:52,599
last few months but I put it in my last

1024
00:49:57,930 --> 00:49:54,849
book the Cygnus key which came out in

1025
00:50:00,480 --> 00:49:57,940
2018 I'd worked this out that very

1026
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,490
clearly Mongolia was the place of

1027
00:50:05,790 --> 00:50:03,040
contact for all of this and that's so

1028
00:50:08,730 --> 00:50:05,800
important because books that talk about

1029
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:08,740
this this stone talk technology state

1030
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:11,440
very specifically that its point of

1031
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:14,730
origin is Mongolia northern Mongolia

1032
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:18,250
around this time so if all of this is

1033
00:50:24,060 --> 00:50:19,810
correct and we can put all the pieces

1034
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:24,070
together here we can show for certain

1035
00:50:28,349 --> 00:50:26,530
that the Denisovans gave us this

1036
00:50:31,530 --> 00:50:28,359
particular type of stone tool technology

1037
00:50:35,370 --> 00:50:31,540
which by the way can't be just done by

1038
00:50:39,660 --> 00:50:35,380
anybody it has to be taught from teacher

1039
00:50:43,290 --> 00:50:39,670
to pupil because it's so complex in

1040
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:43,300
style and that's how we can you know we

1041
00:50:47,609 --> 00:50:45,310
can we can work out where it comes from

1042
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:47,619
because we can see where it was and

1043
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:49,210
where it reached and we can see the

1044
00:50:55,770 --> 00:50:51,970
paper trail all the way through to where

1045
00:50:58,829 --> 00:50:55,780
it ends up which is gobekli tepe so the

1046
00:51:03,000 --> 00:50:58,839
style of influence what's going on there

1047
00:51:04,890 --> 00:51:03,010
the cosmology all of it almost certainly

1048
00:51:07,230 --> 00:51:04,900
comes from the north and comes from as

1049
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:07,240
far east as siberia which is exactly

1050
00:51:13,950 --> 00:51:11,200
what your intuition suggested the dating

1051
00:51:15,420 --> 00:51:13,960
and if anybody is wondering about the

1052
00:51:18,210 --> 00:51:15,430
significance of what andrew is

1053
00:51:21,420 --> 00:51:18,220
suggesting here the dating on this

1054
00:51:24,349 --> 00:51:21,430
bracelet right now is about forty

1055
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:24,359
thousand years old

1056
00:51:30,210 --> 00:51:27,760
yeah well it's actually it's probably

1057
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:30,220
it's probably more likely 45 to 50 I

1058
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,040
mean and that's conservative estimates

1059
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,200
at this time but there was there are

1060
00:51:40,020 --> 00:51:37,119
early reports about two or three years

1061
00:51:42,430 --> 00:51:40,030
ago that it could it could be as much as

1062
00:51:45,609 --> 00:51:42,440
60 to 70 thousand years

1063
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:45,619
that's just extraordinary but I think

1064
00:51:50,859 --> 00:51:48,770
that you know they were sort of pulled

1065
00:51:52,990 --> 00:51:50,869
in and said look you can't say that you

1066
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:53,000
know just say 45 to 50 for the time

1067
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:55,010
being and we'll worry about in the

1068
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,119
earlier dates a later time but I think

1069
00:52:06,450 --> 00:52:01,359
we can definitely say it's 45 to 50 now

1070
00:52:09,310 --> 00:52:06,460
here's the thing there are some Western

1071
00:52:11,020 --> 00:52:09,320
anthropologists and archaeologists that

1072
00:52:12,570 --> 00:52:11,030
are still saying oh well it might be

1073
00:52:15,490 --> 00:52:12,580
that you know this is so sophisticated

1074
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:15,500
that it must have been done by our own

1075
00:52:20,530 --> 00:52:18,800
ancestors our own anatomical modern

1076
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:20,540
human ancestors they're the only ones

1077
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:24,170
that could do stuff like this but the

1078
00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:25,910
Russian archaeologists that are working

1079
00:52:30,370 --> 00:52:28,430
out there now saying why are you saying

1080
00:52:33,130 --> 00:52:30,380
this because we haven't got any evidence

1081
00:52:36,780 --> 00:52:33,140
that modern humans were in Siberia at

1082
00:52:39,339 --> 00:52:36,790
this time you know yes they were in

1083
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:39,349
sorry of this area of the oasis in

1084
00:52:46,930 --> 00:52:43,310
southern Siberia I mean we have one body

1085
00:52:49,230 --> 00:52:46,940
or one yeah remains that were found in

1086
00:52:53,950 --> 00:52:49,240
Western Siberia that do date to about

1087
00:52:55,780 --> 00:52:53,960
45,000 years ago but all of these

1088
00:52:58,750 --> 00:52:55,790
artifacts almost certainly had already

1089
00:53:00,609 --> 00:52:58,760
been created by that time so the ration

1090
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:00,619
archaeologists saying no there Dennis

1091
00:53:06,250 --> 00:53:03,770
oven so I'm Western archaeologists say

1092
00:53:09,010 --> 00:53:06,260
no they're still you know they're still

1093
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,020
done by acid and this actually follows a

1094
00:53:13,930 --> 00:53:11,599
trend which goes back probably to

1095
00:53:16,690 --> 00:53:13,940
Victorian times where there's this

1096
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:16,700
attitude that you know the people living

1097
00:53:22,990 --> 00:53:19,250
in Europe you know with the first to do

1098
00:53:26,050 --> 00:53:23,000
everything and and the you know it was

1099
00:53:28,660 --> 00:53:26,060
our ancestors and that people like the

1100
00:53:29,950 --> 00:53:28,670
Neanderthals and and now the Denisovans

1101
00:53:32,859 --> 00:53:29,960
they couldn't be doing this sort of

1102
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:32,869
stuff but this is this is just rubbish

1103
00:53:40,020 --> 00:53:35,359
and we we need to start thinking outside

1104
00:53:43,780 --> 00:53:40,030
the box here and to credit these these

1105
00:53:45,490 --> 00:53:43,790
distant cousins of ours of actually of

1106
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,500
having given us the rudiments of

1107
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:47,839
civilization because I think this is the

1108
00:53:55,579 --> 00:53:52,250
key because if we think of where

1109
00:53:58,009 --> 00:53:55,589
civilization comes from if we accept

1110
00:54:01,039 --> 00:53:58,019
what archaeologists they say they say

1111
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:01,049
it's just a slow process of what they

1112
00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:04,920
call independent in invention that takes

1113
00:54:10,609 --> 00:54:08,460
place all over the place you know let's

1114
00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:10,619
like let's say late needles bone needles

1115
00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:12,660
the oldest bone needle that we have now

1116
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,910
comes from that the nest of a cave and

1117
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:16,319
it was a most certainly created by

1118
00:54:22,009 --> 00:54:18,900
Denisovans but what the archaeologists

1119
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:22,019
say is that people invent needles all

1120
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:24,390
over the place they suddenly come up

1121
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:25,380
with this idea

1122
00:54:30,380 --> 00:54:28,249
oh let's invent the needle today and

1123
00:54:32,809 --> 00:54:30,390
that there's there's no connection

1124
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:32,819
between let's say the presence of

1125
00:54:38,269 --> 00:54:35,369
needles in Siberia and the presence in

1126
00:54:41,779 --> 00:54:38,279
needles in Southwest Europe by the

1127
00:54:44,209 --> 00:54:41,789
solutrean for instance around 20,000 BC

1128
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:44,219
or by the so called gravettian peoples

1129
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:47,249
of northern Russia about 30,000 BC

1130
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:49,410
there's no link between any of these

1131
00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:51,210
they all invented them independently

1132
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:54,329
this is crap this is just it's just it

1133
00:55:01,039 --> 00:54:57,890
is just crap it's because you can follow

1134
00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:01,049
the course of the bone needle from out

1135
00:55:06,620 --> 00:55:03,089
of siberia going westwards into

1136
00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:06,630
southwest europe eastwards into places

1137
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:08,940
like China or North East woods into the

1138
00:55:16,849 --> 00:55:12,049
Russian Far East it's like a pulse of

1139
00:55:19,549 --> 00:55:16,859
activity a pulse of cultural activity

1140
00:55:22,249 --> 00:55:19,559
that you know that there has its point

1141
00:55:25,989 --> 00:55:22,259
of foundation in the area of Siberia and

1142
00:55:29,329 --> 00:55:25,999
Mongolia this is just one example and

1143
00:55:31,489 --> 00:55:29,339
you know this tells us that you know

1144
00:55:33,380 --> 00:55:31,499
you're looking for it's not necessarily

1145
00:55:36,739 --> 00:55:33,390
people that are moving although it could

1146
00:55:38,420 --> 00:55:36,749
be but it's certainly somebody you know

1147
00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:38,430
seeing a needle and saying ah I want

1148
00:55:43,009 --> 00:55:40,440
some of those how did you make that oh

1149
00:55:46,009 --> 00:55:43,019
well I can teach you and it being passed

1150
00:55:48,410 --> 00:55:46,019
on in this manner as a case of everybody

1151
00:55:51,979 --> 00:55:48,420
suddenly having a you know a Eureka

1152
00:55:54,469 --> 00:55:51,989
moment everywhere it said oh oh I know

1153
00:55:59,269 --> 00:55:54,479
that we need to so what could we think

1154
00:56:01,519 --> 00:55:59,279
so maybe it goes in a needle and when we

1155
00:56:04,729 --> 00:56:01,529
come back after the break Andrew it goes

1156
00:56:06,289 --> 00:56:04,739
so much deeper than that and I couldn't

1157
00:56:08,050 --> 00:56:06,299
agree with you more but when we come

1158
00:56:12,130 --> 00:56:08,060
back we're gonna talk about we

1159
00:56:13,780 --> 00:56:12,140
let's talk about wheat yeah this is fade

1160
00:56:15,610 --> 00:56:13,790
to black I'm your host Jimmy Church our

1161
00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:15,620
guest tonight Andrew Collins we got to

1162
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:17,360
get back to Younger Dryas as well

1163
00:56:24,130 --> 00:56:20,720
there's a reason for everything stay

1164
00:56:24,140 --> 00:57:02,160
[Music]

1165
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:05,290
welcome back fade to black our very

1166
00:57:09,940 --> 00:57:07,330
special guests tonight Andrew Collins

1167
00:57:12,070 --> 00:57:09,950
talking about his new book is just

1168
00:57:14,620 --> 00:57:12,080
release Dennis haven't origins

1169
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:14,630
it's an incredible read I highly

1170
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:16,970
recommend it and the links are over at

1171
00:57:22,570 --> 00:57:19,250
Jimmy Church radio.com you go and click

1172
00:57:25,690 --> 00:57:22,580
and Andrew the reason why going back to

1173
00:57:27,970 --> 00:57:25,700
our discussion the reason why these

1174
00:57:30,220 --> 00:57:27,980
discoveries are so important they keep

1175
00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:30,230
pointing back to one place everything

1176
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:33,550
keeps pointing back to these origins and

1177
00:57:41,770 --> 00:57:38,510
before you know Orthodox academia is

1178
00:57:45,550 --> 00:57:41,780
always going to say we're not giving

1179
00:57:48,660 --> 00:57:45,560
Stone Age man enough credit here and

1180
00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:48,670
that's the part that just it just it

1181
00:57:54,910 --> 00:57:52,910
inflames me that there was some high

1182
00:57:58,060 --> 00:57:54,920
technology things that were taught from

1183
00:58:00,940 --> 00:57:58,070
somebody that was handed down things

1184
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:00,950
just don't appear out of of nowhere and

1185
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:03,440
one of those things that you point out

1186
00:58:10,780 --> 00:58:07,010
in the book and I have often said when

1187
00:58:12,790 --> 00:58:10,790
we look at humanity and we look at our

1188
00:58:15,850 --> 00:58:12,800
progression one of the most important

1189
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:15,860
steps was the domestication of wheat

1190
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:19,760
that that right there allowed so many

1191
00:58:25,810 --> 00:58:23,090
things to happen you know to change from

1192
00:58:28,510 --> 00:58:25,820
being hunter-gatherers to to farmers and

1193
00:58:32,740 --> 00:58:28,520
you could concentrate on other things

1194
00:58:35,980 --> 00:58:32,750
like math and learning and and and and

1195
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:35,990
and government and organizations and

1196
00:58:41,110 --> 00:58:38,690
you're not worried about hunting and

1197
00:58:43,060 --> 00:58:41,120
gathering every single day and that was

1198
00:58:46,090 --> 00:58:43,070
one of the big changes that happened and

1199
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:46,100
the domestication of wheat can be traced

1200
00:58:51,660 --> 00:58:49,280
back apparently to like within a hundred

1201
00:58:54,940 --> 00:58:51,670
miles of Gobekli Tepe is that right

1202
00:58:59,290 --> 00:58:54,950
where's even close it's actually about I

1203
00:59:04,350 --> 00:58:59,300
think just from these I think 55 miles

1204
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:04,360
actually yeah the something like 55

1205
00:59:12,690 --> 00:59:08,330
modern strains of weight can be traced

1206
00:59:15,490 --> 00:59:12,700
back to a wild variety of wheat that

1207
00:59:18,460 --> 00:59:15,500
still grows to this day

1208
00:59:21,550 --> 00:59:18,470
at the base of a extinct volcano within

1209
00:59:24,580 --> 00:59:21,560
sight of Quebec Mateparae and what this

1210
00:59:27,609 --> 00:59:24,590
very clearly tells us is that this is

1211
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:27,619
where the beginning of agriculture

1212
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:31,609
started and that it was something that

1213
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:36,910
was created to try and feed the

1214
00:59:42,070 --> 00:59:39,290
communities that had built up as an

1215
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:42,080
infrastructure around places like Quebec

1216
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:45,050
Enterprise because I mean Quebec liter

1217
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:47,210
pay as we know is somewhere that's you

1218
00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:50,480
know what 20 30 different stone

1219
00:59:54,070 --> 00:59:52,190
enclosures we don't know how many of

1220
00:59:55,810 --> 00:59:54,080
them were in use in any one time because

1221
00:59:58,660 --> 00:59:55,820
they were being built and closed there

1222
01:00:00,460 --> 00:59:58,670
and built closed down but there's no

1223
01:00:02,650 --> 01:00:00,470
question that many hundreds if not

1224
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:02,660
thousands of people would have been

1225
01:00:08,740 --> 01:00:06,290
living in the area just around it to

1226
01:00:13,089 --> 01:00:08,750
service Quebec except I either stone

1227
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:13,099
carvers you know people were Eamon you

1228
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:16,010
know people you know priests shamans

1229
01:00:21,579 --> 01:00:19,010
their families whatever else was going

1230
01:00:23,650 --> 01:00:21,589
on plus you know the the you know that

1231
01:00:25,630 --> 01:00:23,660
the the overseas of Overseers of what

1232
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:25,640
we're going on and this this would have

1233
01:00:29,650 --> 01:00:27,920
taken a lot of people a lot of time and

1234
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:29,660
there was obviously a very structured

1235
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:32,690
society here and to start off with

1236
01:00:39,190 --> 01:00:36,290
everybody was hunter-gatherers which is

1237
01:00:40,780 --> 01:00:39,200
a fact I mean you know and people say oh

1238
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:40,790
they couldn't have been under gorillas

1239
01:00:43,870 --> 01:00:42,170
they must have been more sophisticated

1240
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:43,880
than this but they weren't I mean they

1241
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:45,290
were hunter-gatherers and they were

1242
01:00:53,410 --> 01:00:48,530
brought together by somebody or some

1243
01:00:57,329 --> 01:00:53,420
group to work together in this communal

1244
01:01:00,760 --> 01:00:57,339
thing to create these stone enclosures

1245
01:01:02,829 --> 01:01:00,770
9600 BC and you have to start asking

1246
01:01:05,020 --> 01:01:02,839
yourself why would why would they do

1247
01:01:07,300 --> 01:01:05,030
that I mean you know remember

1248
01:01:10,089 --> 01:01:07,310
hunter-gatherer all they've got to do is

1249
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:10,099
provide for their family and perhaps you

1250
01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:12,050
know a wider social group you know

1251
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:14,180
they're you know that they were involved

1252
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:16,310
with that's it they could do their own

1253
01:01:22,420 --> 01:01:18,410
thing I mean so why would they all

1254
01:01:24,430 --> 01:01:22,430
suddenly gather together and create the

1255
01:01:28,060 --> 01:01:24,440
first so-called monumental architecture

1256
01:01:29,390 --> 01:01:28,070
in human history and the answer and

1257
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:29,400
we've said this before

1258
01:01:35,230 --> 01:01:30,690
and what we'll talk about it a little

1259
01:01:40,070 --> 01:01:35,240
bit again is the time frame it's because

1260
01:01:43,070 --> 01:01:40,080
9600 BC corresponds to the end of a 1200

1261
01:01:46,430 --> 01:01:43,080
year mini ice age known as the Younger

1262
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,440
Dryas which had been triggered at the

1263
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:49,200
beginning of it by a series of comet

1264
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:51,930
impacts and cataclysms which had

1265
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:54,690
devastated the world and had continued

1266
01:02:00,440 --> 01:01:57,570
on on and off for hundreds of years

1267
01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:00,450
afterwards and it may even be that the

1268
01:02:06,020 --> 01:02:03,510
end of the Younger Dryas occurred so

1269
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:06,030
quickly that it must have involved

1270
01:02:12,110 --> 01:02:08,450
another cosmic event of some kind

1271
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:12,120
exactly what we don't know and this

1272
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:15,570
would have so traumatized the world at

1273
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:18,570
this time that people would have

1274
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:20,160
gathered together and said look how can

1275
01:02:26,810 --> 01:02:21,810
we stop this sort of stuff happening

1276
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:26,820
again a phobia a true phobia mean it

1277
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:29,970
it's what you know Barbara Hank Lao you

1278
01:02:36,830 --> 01:02:34,290
know a great visionary writer described

1279
01:02:40,990 --> 01:02:36,840
as catastrophe Opia you know in other

1280
01:02:43,340 --> 01:02:41,000
words the fear of another catastrophe or

1281
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:43,350
Cataclysm taking place and it would have

1282
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:46,170
been this psychological problem that

1283
01:02:50,660 --> 01:02:48,570
everybody had and would have to be dealt

1284
01:02:53,150 --> 01:02:50,670
with and if you can have then imagine

1285
01:02:55,820 --> 01:02:53,160
that coming into the midst of these

1286
01:02:58,340 --> 01:02:55,830
people were you know these Swit Aryans

1287
01:03:00,650 --> 01:02:58,350
or whoever it was that came to Quebec in

1288
01:03:03,350 --> 01:03:00,660
the area of Quebec attend said look we

1289
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:03,360
can sort this out but you've got to work

1290
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:05,850
with us on this one and what we want you

1291
01:03:09,890 --> 01:03:07,680
to do is to create these stone

1292
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:09,900
enclosures will tell you what to do

1293
01:03:14,420 --> 01:03:12,450
we'll tell you how to orientate them and

1294
01:03:18,260 --> 01:03:14,430
what's going to go on there but what we

1295
01:03:21,610 --> 01:03:18,270
will do on your behalf is to go into the

1296
01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:21,620
sky world and deal with the supernatural

1297
01:03:27,350 --> 01:03:24,900
creatures which were usually canines or

1298
01:03:31,460 --> 01:03:27,360
wolves or foxes or coyotes or whatever

1299
01:03:35,870 --> 01:03:31,470
that were seen as responsible for all of

1300
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:35,880
the mischief that brings about chaos and

1301
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:38,610
catastrophe in the world we will deal

1302
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:39,210
with them

1303
01:03:43,130 --> 01:03:40,650
we will appease them we'll make

1304
01:03:45,310 --> 01:03:43,140
offerings to them we'll try and

1305
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:45,320
them from doing what they they're doing

1306
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:50,130
and every time I new comment appears in

1307
01:03:53,870 --> 01:03:50,850
the sky

1308
01:03:56,420 --> 01:03:53,880
and this is it this is what was going on

1309
01:03:58,250 --> 01:03:56,430
back except I'm certain of it and that's

1310
01:04:02,360 --> 01:03:58,260
the reason why you'll find that on

1311
01:04:05,660 --> 01:04:02,370
certain of the stones is comet imagery

1312
01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:05,670
there are reliefs showing comets there I

1313
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:09,420
have studied I have studied every column

1314
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:12,240
and looked at everything and when you

1315
01:04:19,490 --> 01:04:15,090
did this reveal in the book of one of

1316
01:04:24,260 --> 01:04:19,500
the belts with a comet on the front yeah

1317
01:04:25,820 --> 01:04:24,270
I I see nothing but a comment now yeah I

1318
01:04:29,690 --> 01:04:25,830
didn't see that before

1319
01:04:31,970 --> 01:04:29,700
I thought it was artistic yeah no it's a

1320
01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:31,980
comet it's a three-tailed comments I

1321
01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:35,160
mean a lot of comets are three child you

1322
01:04:39,140 --> 01:04:37,110
know including Halley's Comet for

1323
01:04:42,020 --> 01:04:39,150
instance couldn't be seen with three

1324
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:42,030
towers occasionally but whether it you

1325
01:04:45,470 --> 01:04:43,890
know which particular comet it shows I

1326
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:45,480
don't know I don't think it was the one

1327
01:04:51,490 --> 01:04:47,610
that actually calls the Cataclysm I

1328
01:04:54,110 --> 01:04:51,500
think it was probably a short-period

1329
01:04:55,790 --> 01:04:54,120
comet like Halley's Comet that would be

1330
01:04:58,850 --> 01:04:55,800
seen in the skies on a fairly regular

1331
01:05:02,270 --> 01:04:58,860
basis and I suspect that one of the

1332
01:05:04,940 --> 01:05:02,280
things that the these incoming people's

1333
01:05:07,580 --> 01:05:04,950
to the Erika Boeck itself I convinced

1334
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:07,590
the locals to get involved in this huge

1335
01:05:12,980 --> 01:05:10,110
building project was the fact that they

1336
01:05:15,950 --> 01:05:12,990
showed that they could predict the

1337
01:05:18,830 --> 01:05:15,960
appearance of comets you know short term

1338
01:05:21,110 --> 01:05:18,840
ones so in other words you know they

1339
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:21,120
could say look next year there's going

1340
01:05:24,620 --> 01:05:22,890
to be a big comet appearing in the sky

1341
01:05:27,590 --> 01:05:24,630
the people would have thought that was

1342
01:05:30,260 --> 01:05:27,600
magic you know and then bang on cue

1343
01:05:32,990 --> 01:05:30,270
there's a comet in the sky people say oh

1344
01:05:37,070 --> 01:05:33,000
my god you know these people do have

1345
01:05:39,710 --> 01:05:37,080
some kind of psychic link with the comet

1346
01:05:41,930 --> 01:05:39,720
world and can you know and can can can

1347
01:05:43,610 --> 01:05:41,940
predict when these stuffs are coming and

1348
01:05:46,370 --> 01:05:43,620
I think that it's stuff like this that

1349
01:05:49,610 --> 01:05:46,380
would have convinced the people to come

1350
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:49,620
and bold on on such promit comet I sorry

1351
01:05:56,780 --> 01:05:52,530
on such projects and that the reason why

1352
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:56,790
you have this massive eighteen and a

1353
01:06:01,280 --> 01:05:57,450
half

1354
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:01,290
tall monolith well in fact two but one

1355
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:02,880
in particular with this this comic

1356
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:05,910
design at the center of the oldest and

1357
01:06:10,730 --> 01:06:07,680
most sophisticated enclosure at

1358
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:10,740
correctly tempo which is enclosure D the

1359
01:06:14,539 --> 01:06:12,210
reason why you've got this this

1360
01:06:17,329 --> 01:06:14,549
anthropomorphic character there with

1361
01:06:20,780 --> 01:06:17,339
this t-shaped head is that what he

1362
01:06:22,460 --> 01:06:20,790
represents is one of these comic shamans

1363
01:06:27,049 --> 01:06:22,470
in other words or certainly the memory

1364
01:06:29,690 --> 01:06:27,059
of somebody who was able to hold back

1365
01:06:32,260 --> 01:06:29,700
the forces that were destroying the

1366
01:06:35,809 --> 01:06:32,270
world during the Younger Dryas impact

1367
01:06:37,789 --> 01:06:35,819
event in other words it symbolized you

1368
01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:37,799
know those that had saved the world he

1369
01:06:43,609 --> 01:06:39,240
was quite literally a savior of the

1370
01:06:46,220 --> 01:06:43,619
world literally and that that's the

1371
01:06:48,829 --> 01:06:46,230
reason why he's represented there with

1372
01:06:50,420 --> 01:06:48,839
this belt and where the belt buckle is

1373
01:06:53,660 --> 01:06:50,430
and that's what it is it's a belt buckle

1374
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:53,670
is this comic design that's his symbol

1375
01:06:58,640 --> 01:06:56,010
because that's what he does he's a comic

1376
01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:58,650
shaman and that the shamans that would

1377
01:07:04,700 --> 01:07:01,740
continue this tradition in the closures

1378
01:07:06,770 --> 01:07:04,710
of Gobekli Tepe would do exactly the

1379
01:07:09,500 --> 01:07:06,780
same every time a comic came into the

1380
01:07:11,660 --> 01:07:09,510
sky they would go into an altered state

1381
01:07:14,210 --> 01:07:11,670
of consciousness they would project

1382
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:14,220
their minds their astral bodies into the

1383
01:07:19,490 --> 01:07:17,730
sky world which they would enter via the

1384
01:07:21,319 --> 01:07:19,500
constellation of cygnus that seems to be

1385
01:07:24,530 --> 01:07:21,329
like that The Guardian to the entrance

1386
01:07:26,569 --> 01:07:24,540
at skyward and I show very clearly that

1387
01:07:29,329 --> 01:07:26,579
this is a map that you know that the

1388
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:29,339
Phillip pillar 43 the so-called vulture

1389
01:07:35,180 --> 01:07:32,130
stone is a map of the sky world shows

1390
01:07:37,730 --> 01:07:35,190
that cosmic journey that the shaman and

1391
01:07:39,620 --> 01:07:37,740
you know in any other you know soul

1392
01:07:42,049 --> 01:07:39,630
going into that the sky would would Tyco

1393
01:07:44,030 --> 01:07:42,059
and they would deal with it on behalf of

1394
01:07:45,740 --> 01:07:44,040
the communities they would then come out

1395
01:07:47,780 --> 01:07:45,750
there altered state of consciousness and

1396
01:07:49,609 --> 01:07:47,790
say right it's all sorted there's not

1397
01:07:51,260 --> 01:07:49,619
going to be a catastrophe this week you

1398
01:07:53,690 --> 01:07:51,270
know you can all go back to your homes

1399
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:53,700
and everything will be safe and these

1400
01:07:58,370 --> 01:07:55,770
type of rituals we're going on around

1401
01:08:00,049 --> 01:07:58,380
the world certainly through until the

1402
01:08:02,539 --> 01:08:00,059
last few hundred years I mean for

1403
01:08:06,140 --> 01:08:02,549
instance you know I record in this book

1404
01:08:08,809 --> 01:08:06,150
as I've recorded in past books I account

1405
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:08,819
of just such a rich or taking place in

1406
01:08:11,420 --> 01:08:09,510
Mexico

1407
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:11,430
at the time

1408
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:14,010
of your first contact I think it's a

1409
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:17,370
Jesuit priest is going through a mix

1410
01:08:22,519 --> 01:08:19,440
accan village and there's comment in the

1411
01:08:27,229 --> 01:08:22,529
sky everybody's flapping and the priests

1412
01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:27,239
come out dressed in animal garments

1413
01:08:32,329 --> 01:08:30,420
particularly that of a fox pelt this is

1414
01:08:37,390 --> 01:08:32,339
and this is this is crucial because

1415
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:37,400
beneath that that symbol of the comet on

1416
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:40,650
pillar 18 this huge great monolith at

1417
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:43,890
Quebec attempt a hanging beneath that is

1418
01:08:53,809 --> 01:08:48,810
a fox pelt relief and foxes are one of

1419
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:53,819
the symbols of comets Fox tails are the

1420
01:08:58,820 --> 01:08:56,850
tail of the Comets right the way through

1421
01:09:02,120 --> 01:08:58,830
to the present day even in British

1422
01:09:04,579 --> 01:09:02,130
heraldry in my own country the fox tail

1423
01:09:06,410 --> 01:09:04,589
is a symbol of a comet and they have

1424
01:09:08,059 --> 01:09:06,420
their own Fox there's a fox on one of

1425
01:09:11,780 --> 01:09:08,069
the pillars of Gobekli Tepe

1426
01:09:15,890 --> 01:09:11,790
well this fox is on many of them in fact

1427
01:09:18,289 --> 01:09:15,900
the most common animal remains that are

1428
01:09:21,769 --> 01:09:18,299
found inside the enclosure that

1429
01:09:25,070 --> 01:09:21,779
competitor by our Fox bones and this has

1430
01:09:27,260 --> 01:09:25,080
prompted the the main archaeologists

1431
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:27,270
involved particularly Klaus Schmidt

1432
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:30,210
who's no longer with us and another guy

1433
01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:32,640
called URIs Peters who's an expert on

1434
01:09:38,890 --> 01:09:35,880
animal bones was working at the site to

1435
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:38,900
conclude that some kind of cult

1436
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:41,489
associated with the Fox was going on at

1437
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,719
Quebec itself and I think that's

1438
01:09:48,169 --> 01:09:44,880
absolutely correct and that one of the

1439
01:09:51,050 --> 01:09:48,179
symbols that was connected and

1440
01:09:52,939 --> 01:09:51,060
associated with comets and their

1441
01:09:56,450 --> 01:09:52,949
appearance in the skies and cataclysms

1442
01:09:58,189 --> 01:09:56,460
was the Fox it was a trickster just in

1443
01:10:01,820 --> 01:09:58,199
the same way that in the United States

1444
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:01,830
the wolf or particularly the coyote is a

1445
01:10:08,090 --> 01:10:05,280
trickster and those tricksters could

1446
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:08,100
cause mischief and that mischief could

1447
01:10:12,380 --> 01:10:10,050
end up with the distraction of the world

1448
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:12,390
you know if you if it was not kept in

1449
01:10:17,959 --> 01:10:14,910
check and I think that it's a similar

1450
01:10:22,419 --> 01:10:17,969
thing and I mean the most obvious canine

1451
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:22,429
or like and based trickster that in

1452
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:24,690
Europe for instance

1453
01:10:31,580 --> 01:10:29,010
is the wolf Fenris offend RIA who is the

1454
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,590
the massive giant wolf that nearly

1455
01:10:37,550 --> 01:10:33,360
brings about the destruction of the

1456
01:10:41,660 --> 01:10:37,560
world in Ragnarok this is a story of the

1457
01:10:44,450 --> 01:10:41,670
memory of the Younger Dryas event and

1458
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:44,460
the fear that this is going to happen

1459
01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:46,560
again that Ragnarok is going to happen

1460
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:49,260
at some point in the future this was the

1461
01:10:54,220 --> 01:10:51,050
belief amongst the peoples of

1462
01:10:57,140 --> 01:10:54,230
Scandinavia the so-called Norse myths

1463
01:10:59,360 --> 01:10:57,150
but there but as I show in in an earlier

1464
01:11:03,080 --> 01:10:59,370
book there these traditions to do with

1465
01:11:06,020 --> 01:11:03,090
the canine or a wolf being connected

1466
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:06,030
with with with cosmic destruction is

1467
01:11:11,390 --> 01:11:08,850
something that's widespread not just in

1468
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:11,400
Scandinavia but across Europe in Russia

1469
01:11:17,900 --> 01:11:13,530
and in other parts of the world going

1470
01:11:20,689 --> 01:11:17,910
right the way across to China so you

1471
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:20,699
know these are all ideas which which are

1472
01:11:25,070 --> 01:11:23,130
associated with the with the period just

1473
01:11:28,250 --> 01:11:25,080
before the construction of Quebec neater

1474
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,260
pay and give us a motivation for why it

1475
01:11:33,050 --> 01:11:30,719
was constructed again these were ideas

1476
01:11:36,380 --> 01:11:33,060
originally put in Quebec except by

1477
01:11:38,780 --> 01:11:36,390
Genesis for God's in 2014 and a number

1478
01:11:41,540 --> 01:11:38,790
of other key researchers some of them

1479
01:11:44,689 --> 01:11:41,550
academics have taken this and run with

1480
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:44,699
it now and you'll find this in other

1481
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:47,730
people's books now and I think that it's

1482
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:49,170
it's we're on the right track I think

1483
01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:51,330
this is exactly what was going on

1484
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:54,120
because 9600 BC when the earliest

1485
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:55,440
enclosures of Quebec its empire

1486
01:12:03,650 --> 01:11:58,320
constructed this is the tail end of that

1487
01:12:06,770 --> 01:12:03,660
time they're very very decade that this

1488
01:12:09,950 --> 01:12:06,780
younger dryas have Ain ends it's also

1489
01:12:12,620 --> 01:12:09,960
the date that Plato gives us for the

1490
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:12,630
destruction of Atlantis and I think this

1491
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:15,360
is crucial as well because Plato was

1492
01:12:21,050 --> 01:12:18,719
very clearly aware that in the past

1493
01:12:22,340 --> 01:12:21,060
there had been a massive catastrophe he

1494
01:12:25,130 --> 01:12:22,350
obviously didn't know it was anything to

1495
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,140
do with with comets he just says it was

1496
01:12:32,930 --> 01:12:27,840
earthquakes and floods had brought about

1497
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:32,940
the destruction of Atlantis and I think

1498
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:35,850
that you know somehow this information

1499
01:12:40,750 --> 01:12:38,610
had come to him whether it came from

1500
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:40,760
traditions in Egypt or somewhere else

1501
01:12:47,149 --> 01:12:45,330
that he was able to to to put a story

1502
01:12:50,510 --> 01:12:47,159
together which we know as the Atlantis

1503
01:12:52,609 --> 01:12:50,520
story today about this huge great

1504
01:12:55,010 --> 01:12:52,619
Cataclysm that destroyed the world in

1505
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:55,020
the past he got it right and he got the

1506
01:13:02,060 --> 01:12:59,520
timeframe correct and so many academics

1507
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:02,070
have looked at that Plato story said he

1508
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:04,530
couldn't have been talking about 9600 BC

1509
01:13:07,609 --> 01:13:05,760
he must have been talking about

1510
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:07,619
something that went on in the

1511
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:11,489
Mediterranean let's say 1600 BC you know

1512
01:13:17,629 --> 01:13:13,530
let's let's change everything and

1513
01:13:19,580 --> 01:13:17,639
suggest that it was perhaps I a volcano

1514
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:19,590
yeah you know the Santorini you know a

1515
01:13:26,780 --> 01:13:23,730
theory eruption that devastated yeah

1516
01:13:29,570 --> 01:13:26,790
yeah Egypt and the eastern Mediterranean

1517
01:13:31,970 --> 01:13:29,580
and Crete whatever that's obviously what

1518
01:13:32,959 --> 01:13:31,980
Plato was talking about he couldn't

1519
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:32,969
possibly have been talking about

1520
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:34,800
anything any earlier but we now know

1521
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:39,690
that that is rubbish that he was on to

1522
01:13:46,580 --> 01:13:44,010
the Younger Dryas event and I think this

1523
01:13:50,450 --> 01:13:46,590
is really important for people to you

1524
01:13:53,260 --> 01:13:50,460
know to take hold of and keep that we

1525
01:13:58,129 --> 01:13:53,270
now know that this incredible

1526
01:14:02,000 --> 01:13:58,139
catastrophe wiped out all of the

1527
01:14:03,620 --> 01:14:02,010
progress of humanity that had been going

1528
01:14:04,729 --> 01:14:03,630
on up to this time and I think it's one

1529
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:04,739
of the reasons why we don't know

1530
01:14:09,410 --> 01:14:07,260
anything about the Denisovans to die and

1531
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:09,420
their impact it's because we forgot

1532
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:11,280
everything I mean you know as Graham

1533
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:13,650
Hancock keeps going on about you know we

1534
01:14:20,660 --> 01:14:18,480
are you know a population in amnesia

1535
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,670
you know we forgotten what went on in

1536
01:14:26,419 --> 01:14:22,560
the past and I think this is absolutely

1537
01:14:30,770 --> 01:14:26,429
correct why is it where we have just

1538
01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:30,780
about all of the evidence to show those

1539
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:34,409
skeptics out there that there was an

1540
01:14:38,629 --> 01:14:38,130
organization that this wasn't just a you

1541
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:38,639
know

1542
01:14:45,379 --> 01:14:43,679
seeds every single day and and trying to

1543
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:45,389
feed their families with that there was

1544
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:47,489
a general organization here there was a

1545
01:14:51,729 --> 01:14:50,610
hierarchy there was religion presented

1546
01:14:58,850 --> 01:14:51,739
there was

1547
01:15:01,819 --> 01:14:58,860
engineering to quarry and to move these

1548
01:15:04,430 --> 01:15:01,829
stones takes a technology that Stone Age

1549
01:15:07,009 --> 01:15:04,440
man didn't possess that all of this

1550
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:07,019
would represent an organization of a

1551
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:11,130
community maybe even a town right built

1552
01:15:19,339 --> 01:15:14,250
around gobekli tepe and that this is

1553
01:15:22,609 --> 01:15:19,349
something that didn't happen at 3000 BC

1554
01:15:25,850 --> 01:15:22,619
in Mesopotamia that this happened 7,000

1555
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:25,860
years prior the start to the north yeah

1556
01:15:35,319 --> 01:15:30,050
exactly and this is new I mean remember

1557
01:15:39,379 --> 01:15:35,329
up until relatively recently the idea of

1558
01:15:43,879 --> 01:15:39,389
the so-called Neolithic Revolution was

1559
01:15:45,939 --> 01:15:43,889
that the agriculture came first along

1560
01:15:52,089 --> 01:15:45,949
with animal husbandry

1561
01:15:54,919 --> 01:15:52,099
and this brought about as more settled

1562
01:15:56,899 --> 01:15:54,929
lifestyle where people would sort of

1563
01:15:58,850 --> 01:15:56,909
like stop and instead of roaming around

1564
01:16:04,129 --> 01:15:58,860
all the time they would start creating

1565
01:16:07,580 --> 01:16:04,139
these urban centers and then once this

1566
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:07,590
life settled out they started to think

1567
01:16:12,859 --> 01:16:10,320
about you know life the universe and

1568
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:12,869
everything and they start creating the

1569
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:18,570
first temples and these necessitate like

1570
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:21,360
an infrastructure and you have the first

1571
01:16:27,020 --> 01:16:23,489
towns the first cities rising up like

1572
01:16:29,660 --> 01:16:27,030
Jericho for instance but we now know

1573
01:16:33,740 --> 01:16:29,670
that that's that crap we now know that

1574
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:33,750
the the cult buildings the places of

1575
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:36,210
ritual and ceremony like about the top I

1576
01:16:42,620 --> 01:16:39,570
came first you know in other words the

1577
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:42,630
the hunter-gatherers were all brought

1578
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:46,110
together by I would say some kind of

1579
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:48,449
ruling elite and I think it was a ruling

1580
01:16:52,819 --> 01:16:50,010
league that was coming in from the north

1581
01:16:54,500 --> 01:16:52,829
and it brought everybody together in

1582
01:16:57,890 --> 01:16:54,510
these projects now as I said I think

1583
01:17:01,850 --> 01:16:57,900
that they did this not through any kind

1584
01:17:03,169 --> 01:17:01,860
of military style control and think I

1585
01:17:05,370 --> 01:17:03,179
don't think it was about that it was a

1586
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:05,380
case of necessity to

1587
01:17:10,410 --> 01:17:07,570
prevent the world from being destroyed

1588
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:10,420
ever again there were no weapon since

1589
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:12,130
the people to get involved in this

1590
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:14,320
massive building project

1591
01:17:18,570 --> 01:17:16,449
yeah there were no weapons or anything

1592
01:17:21,899 --> 01:17:18,580
like that found around gobekli tepe

1593
01:17:24,750 --> 01:17:21,909
right no no I mean you know yeah certain

1594
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:24,760
arrowheads but I mean if you go to

1595
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:26,170
Quebec to tell me when I first went

1596
01:17:33,810 --> 01:17:29,730
there in 2004 as you walk to alter site

1597
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:33,820
you start seeing Flynn you know tools

1598
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:38,560
and Flint points around and you know to

1599
01:17:43,740 --> 01:17:40,960
start off with it's just one or two the

1600
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:43,750
closer you get to Quebec it's a pie the

1601
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:46,090
whole ground is covered with them I mean

1602
01:17:50,189 --> 01:17:48,489
you're dealing you're talking about tens

1603
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:50,199
of thousands if not hundreds of

1604
01:17:57,660 --> 01:17:54,130
thousands of Flint's and some obsidian

1605
01:17:59,340 --> 01:17:57,670
stalks and yeah I mean what were the

1606
01:18:01,740 --> 01:17:59,350
people so wasteful they were just

1607
01:18:04,260 --> 01:18:01,750
chucking them down all the time well

1608
01:18:05,729 --> 01:18:04,270
maybe but I think that there's something

1609
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:05,739
more going on here I think a lot of

1610
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:08,080
these are offerings people were coming

1611
01:18:14,010 --> 01:18:10,960
to gobekli tepe perhaps at certain times

1612
01:18:16,140 --> 01:18:14,020
of the year and making offerings and

1613
01:18:18,180 --> 01:18:16,150
they were leaving their objects they

1614
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:18,190
probably even weren't going up to the

1615
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:20,050
actual site but they were like coming

1616
01:18:24,990 --> 01:18:23,050
within reach of it you know maybe just

1617
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:25,000
doing their rituals or making their

1618
01:18:29,010 --> 01:18:26,320
offerings or doing their thing and

1619
01:18:30,540 --> 01:18:29,020
leaving these and I think that this is

1620
01:18:32,010 --> 01:18:30,550
exactly what was going on that's why

1621
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:32,020
there are tens of thousands if not

1622
01:18:39,180 --> 01:18:34,719
hundreds of thousands of stone tools in

1623
01:18:40,860 --> 01:18:39,190
the vicinity but but yeah I mean people

1624
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:40,870
were being brought together I mean that

1625
01:18:44,879 --> 01:18:42,489
and you talk about the towns around

1626
01:18:47,700 --> 01:18:44,889
gobekli tepe it wasn't a town like we

1627
01:18:51,330 --> 01:18:47,710
think about it it was a series of what

1628
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:51,340
we know as occupational mounds these

1629
01:18:55,919 --> 01:18:54,250
were the circled the whole area around

1630
01:18:59,459 --> 01:18:55,929
Quebec examples some of which we know

1631
01:19:02,610 --> 01:18:59,469
most of which have not been excavated

1632
01:19:05,939 --> 01:19:02,620
even to this day they're still there so

1633
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:05,949
wait an excavation now and this is where

1634
01:19:11,149 --> 01:19:08,560
the people lived and they would have

1635
01:19:14,010 --> 01:19:11,159
been taken what they needed to do or

1636
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:14,020
what they needed to have to survive for

1637
01:19:18,930 --> 01:19:15,520
a few days they'd have gone up to Quebec

1638
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:18,940
to eat a pie which is quite a climb

1639
01:19:21,780 --> 01:19:19,840
this would have probably a bit a couple

1640
01:19:23,790 --> 01:19:21,790
of miles two or three miles maybe five

1641
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:23,800
miles they would gone up there and they

1642
01:19:27,180 --> 01:19:25,570
would have stayed up there done their

1643
01:19:29,490 --> 01:19:27,190
thing and then come back down to their

1644
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:29,500
families and then go back up there again

1645
01:19:32,580 --> 01:19:31,210
that there seems to be what's happened

1646
01:19:36,330 --> 01:19:32,590
because there's no evidence of Gobekli

1647
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:36,340
Tepe of anybody living up there they met

1648
01:19:42,330 --> 01:19:38,770
I mean only recently did they find any

1649
01:19:44,220 --> 01:19:42,340
evidence of fire and you think that they

1650
01:19:46,170 --> 01:19:44,230
you know need to keep warm occasionally

1651
01:19:48,810 --> 01:19:46,180
particularly as it's there it's just

1652
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:48,820
after the end of the last ice age

1653
01:19:53,310 --> 01:19:51,610
so yeah they were going up to Quebec

1654
01:19:58,290 --> 01:19:53,320
meet up by doing their thing doing their

1655
01:20:00,270 --> 01:19:58,300
rituals ceremonies in the ceremony yeah

1656
01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:00,280
let me let me jump in before we hit this

1657
01:20:07,260 --> 01:20:02,560
break we've got about 90 seconds the

1658
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:07,270
ceremonies weren't religious as we look

1659
01:20:14,670 --> 01:20:11,050
at religion today they were ceremonies

1660
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:14,680
that were more astronomical right and in

1661
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:18,850
space and a comet related yeah yeah I

1662
01:20:24,180 --> 01:20:20,560
mean they were they were out of

1663
01:20:26,430 --> 01:20:24,190
necessity but I do believe that what

1664
01:20:29,330 --> 01:20:26,440
this did was to create the earliest

1665
01:20:31,700 --> 01:20:29,340
priesthoods they began about attempt a

1666
01:20:35,370 --> 01:20:31,710
comet Sharman's

1667
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:35,380
yeah comment shamans I I think I want to

1668
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:38,080
make some comment belt buckles

1669
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:42,250
I think that's next what's up comet that

1670
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:44,530
would be pretty good I've gone back and

1671
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:47,440
looked I've shown everybody we have

1672
01:20:52,530 --> 01:20:49,330
talked about this belt buckle so many

1673
01:20:55,170 --> 01:20:52,540
times on this show and now what I you

1674
01:20:57,480 --> 01:20:55,180
know I just looked at in the past it's

1675
01:21:00,260 --> 01:20:57,490
just a conventional belt buckle but it

1676
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:00,270
is clearly a three-tailed comet

1677
01:21:04,500 --> 01:21:02,770
extraordinary alright we've got lots to

1678
01:21:07,140 --> 01:21:04,510
talk about let's take our break when we

1679
01:21:07,890 --> 01:21:07,150
come back we're gonna talk about what is

1680
01:21:11,700 --> 01:21:07,900
going on

1681
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:11,710
echo Beckley Tepe right now and and then

1682
01:21:16,290 --> 01:21:13,210
we're gonna talk about some other stuff

1683
01:21:16,980 --> 01:21:16,300
and and head down to head up over to

1684
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:16,990
Israel

1685
01:21:35,790 --> 01:21:34,339
[Music]

1686
01:21:37,229 --> 01:21:35,800
welcome back

1687
01:21:39,299 --> 01:21:37,239
fade to black I'm real Jimmy Church

1688
01:21:42,299 --> 01:21:39,309
extraordinary conversations tonight with

1689
01:21:44,669 --> 01:21:42,309
Andrew Collins dimness of in origins

1690
01:21:48,029 --> 01:21:44,679
hybrid humans gobekli tepe and the

1691
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:48,039
genesis of giants of ancient america is

1692
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:49,690
the new book i'm holding it up for the

1693
01:21:56,489 --> 01:21:53,440
cameras right here and andrew we're

1694
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:56,499
going to be going to gobekli tepe in a

1695
01:22:00,540 --> 01:21:58,239
2020 we're shooting a documentary

1696
01:22:04,370 --> 01:22:00,550
starting in armenia and we're gonna head

1697
01:22:08,750 --> 01:22:04,380
west and and and over in gobekli tepe

1698
01:22:11,339 --> 01:22:08,760
what can I expect what can we expect

1699
01:22:14,729 --> 01:22:11,349
well just go twice

1700
01:22:16,739 --> 01:22:14,739
don't go once because I mean the first

1701
01:22:19,500 --> 01:22:16,749
day you'll go there you'll just be so

1702
01:22:21,660 --> 01:22:19,510
overwhelmed with what you're seeing that

1703
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:21,670
you just won't take it in you know you

1704
01:22:26,250 --> 01:22:23,650
have to go back on a second day and I

1705
01:22:28,859 --> 01:22:26,260
would also suggest doing it you know

1706
01:22:32,129 --> 01:22:28,869
toward sunset yeah just be the last

1707
01:22:35,790 --> 01:22:32,139
people there and just just sit and look

1708
01:22:38,819 --> 01:22:35,800
and think that's all you need to because

1709
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:38,829
you know you look at it and it's it's

1710
01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:42,249
like something out of this world it's so

1711
01:22:47,549 --> 01:22:45,369
out of context with let's say you know

1712
01:22:50,250 --> 01:22:47,559
the Middle East the Near East Egypt

1713
01:22:52,979 --> 01:22:50,260
because with that it has a certain

1714
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:52,989
symbolism which is recognizable

1715
01:22:58,919 --> 01:22:56,530
repeatable and we all know only even if

1716
01:23:00,839 --> 01:22:58,929
you find let's say the precursors of it

1717
01:23:02,850 --> 01:23:00,849
it still looks sort of similar you know

1718
01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:02,860
like a tradition hieroglyphs the

1719
01:23:08,009 --> 01:23:05,920
proto-hive is still at the site but with

1720
01:23:10,469 --> 01:23:08,019
about liter pie it's like you're looking

1721
01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:10,479
at something which is from a different

1722
01:23:13,950 --> 01:23:11,289
continent

1723
01:23:15,629 --> 01:23:13,960
when I first looked at it the relief are

1724
01:23:17,969 --> 01:23:15,639
the carvings look like there was

1725
01:23:19,259 --> 01:23:17,979
something from mr. America or South

1726
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:19,269
America

1727
01:23:25,770 --> 01:23:22,570
that's how different house and it gives

1728
01:23:28,049 --> 01:23:25,780
you a weird vibe as well because you

1729
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:28,059
know you know that Mesopotamian and

1730
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:30,010
South American cultures used sacrifice

1731
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:32,110
and you look at this new wonder if

1732
01:23:37,410 --> 01:23:34,090
something heavy was going on here as

1733
01:23:39,330 --> 01:23:37,420
well but today no evidence of sacrifice

1734
01:23:42,060 --> 01:23:39,340
has been found at Quebec its FA which I

1735
01:23:44,219 --> 01:23:42,070
which I like I like that I mean you know

1736
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:44,229
in certain other areas of the Near East

1737
01:23:48,540 --> 01:23:46,330
yeah but not about it apart

1738
01:23:50,970 --> 01:23:48,550
you know whatever was going on there was

1739
01:23:54,150 --> 01:23:50,980
something much more important I think

1740
01:23:57,990 --> 01:23:54,160
something that was much more a necessity

1741
01:24:00,240 --> 01:23:58,000
for them to do and that's what you see

1742
01:24:02,010 --> 01:24:00,250
when you get there use the sense that

1743
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:02,020
you're looking at something that is

1744
01:24:09,570 --> 01:24:05,530
entirely out of context for the Near

1745
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:09,580
East the the knowledge that is acquired

1746
01:24:17,810 --> 01:24:13,570
there or are they allowing free research

1747
01:24:21,930 --> 01:24:17,820
if freedom of research I should say no

1748
01:24:24,630 --> 01:24:21,940
because I probably am the first person

1749
01:24:28,130 --> 01:24:24,640
to be banned from Quebec except by now

1750
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:28,140
wouldn't matter would it be from hurt

1751
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:31,570
and yeah this is true and this has all

1752
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:36,880
come about over the last year myself and

1753
01:24:43,770 --> 01:24:40,090
I tour group went there yeah I think in

1754
01:24:45,900 --> 01:24:43,780
in the fall last year and we were just

1755
01:24:47,790 --> 01:24:45,910
hounded and thrown outside I mean we

1756
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:47,800
were doing anything other than you know

1757
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:50,530
being tourists and I was obviously

1758
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:52,770
answering a few questions of people and

1759
01:24:58,710 --> 01:24:56,890
the British archaeologist who's in

1760
01:25:01,800 --> 01:24:58,720
charge there a guy by the name of Lee

1761
01:25:04,830 --> 01:25:01,810
Claire dr. Lee Claire was basically or

1762
01:25:07,710 --> 01:25:04,840
constraining his security men to just

1763
01:25:11,100 --> 01:25:07,720
hound us and get rid of us and you know

1764
01:25:12,810 --> 01:25:11,110
I went up to approach you know to to

1765
01:25:14,100 --> 01:25:12,820
talk to him and shake his hand I mean

1766
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:14,110
I'd actually corresponding with him

1767
01:25:18,540 --> 01:25:17,050
previously to this and he just repelled

1768
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:18,550
backwards and wouldn't even shake my

1769
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:20,410
hand and just says you know we don't

1770
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:23,010
want your lies and pseudoscience here

1771
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:27,250
and but I was told to leave now and not

1772
01:25:34,710 --> 01:25:31,930
return twice and also I learned that my

1773
01:25:36,780 --> 01:25:34,720
name was on a blacklist for gobekli tepe

1774
01:25:40,700 --> 01:25:36,790
and other sites that basically if I

1775
01:25:44,730 --> 01:25:40,710
turned up I was not to be admitted and

1776
01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:44,740
that was it really I mean why you know

1777
01:25:48,690 --> 01:25:46,150
because that's the question and the

1778
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:48,700
question is because I dared to talk

1779
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:51,520
about about the tepuy gobekli tepe is in

1780
01:25:58,440 --> 01:25:54,250
a country which is incredibly

1781
01:26:00,159 --> 01:25:58,450
politically sensitive because not only

1782
01:26:03,429 --> 01:26:00,169
obviously

1783
01:26:06,549 --> 01:26:03,439
have you got the crackdowns on any

1784
01:26:11,009 --> 01:26:06,559
culture religion or identity that's not

1785
01:26:17,409 --> 01:26:11,019
that of Orthodox you know Islamic Turk

1786
01:26:20,259 --> 01:26:17,419
in Turkey but you you have an incredible

1787
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:20,269
sensitivity about what's going on at

1788
01:26:26,020 --> 01:26:23,209
Quebec eat a pie because the fact that

1789
01:26:29,109 --> 01:26:26,030
it's being promoted as the first temple

1790
01:26:31,929 --> 01:26:29,119
in the world I mean a term I saw most

1791
01:26:34,959 --> 01:26:31,939
certainly used myself here and there is

1792
01:26:38,290 --> 01:26:34,969
a very sensitive issue because obviously

1793
01:26:40,419 --> 01:26:38,300
in an Islamic country the first temple

1794
01:26:43,540 --> 01:26:40,429
in the world is Mecca and can only be

1795
01:26:45,639 --> 01:26:43,550
Mecca it can't be anywhere else you know

1796
01:26:48,939 --> 01:26:45,649
that's what the Quran says that's what

1797
01:26:51,189 --> 01:26:48,949
the teachings of Islam sigh so it cannot

1798
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:51,199
be gobekli tepe which is clearly much

1799
01:27:00,879 --> 01:26:56,530
older than Mecca so there has been I

1800
01:27:04,569 --> 01:27:00,889
write word a push to try and show that

1801
01:27:07,209 --> 01:27:04,579
Gobekli Tepe is not religious in any way

1802
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:07,219
and it's in fact domestic buildings that

1803
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:09,489
just happen to have nice relief on them

1804
01:27:15,069 --> 01:27:12,800
because that is more suitable and that

1805
01:27:16,929 --> 01:27:15,079
if you know that the only way that any

1806
01:27:19,719 --> 01:27:16,939
kind of religion that has gone on there

1807
01:27:21,459 --> 01:27:19,729
has to be interpreted through the Quran

1808
01:27:23,979 --> 01:27:21,469
and the only way that you can do that is

1809
01:27:27,909 --> 01:27:23,989
to suggest that it is the house of

1810
01:27:31,799 --> 01:27:27,919
terror terror was the father of Abraham

1811
01:27:35,290 --> 01:27:31,809
Abraham was born and lived according to

1812
01:27:37,389 --> 01:27:35,300
Islamic and Kurdish tradition in the

1813
01:27:42,189 --> 01:27:37,399
area of Tibet eat a pie in the local

1814
01:27:45,209 --> 01:27:42,199
city of Chandler fir and that tira his

1815
01:27:50,109 --> 01:27:45,219
father had idols

1816
01:27:51,909 --> 01:27:50,119
and the Abraham came along and didn't

1817
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:51,919
like this obviously as he was you know

1818
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:55,280
obviously monotheistic so he decided to

1819
01:27:59,709 --> 01:27:57,530
smash up all the idols but leave the

1820
01:28:02,620 --> 01:27:59,719
biggest of the idols and then tell

1821
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:02,630
people that the big Idol had come alive

1822
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:04,610
you know and smashed all the other ones

1823
01:28:08,919 --> 01:28:07,130
this is this is what your gods do

1824
01:28:11,409 --> 01:28:08,929
therefore yeah they're obviously bad

1825
01:28:13,810 --> 01:28:11,419
this is what yeah we're told in in

1826
01:28:17,260 --> 01:28:13,820
Islamic and in in in other two

1827
01:28:19,540 --> 01:28:17,270
as well from that region and there has

1828
01:28:22,180 --> 01:28:19,550
been an attempt to try and connect the

1829
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:22,190
house of Terror with gobekli tepe so

1830
01:28:27,100 --> 01:28:24,170
it's very political it's very religious

1831
01:28:28,300 --> 01:28:27,110
very sensitive so that you know the

1832
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:28,310
likes of myself

1833
01:28:32,140 --> 01:28:31,730
writing a best-selling book on gobekli

1834
01:28:36,220 --> 01:28:32,150
tepe

1835
01:28:38,830 --> 01:28:36,230
is not seen very kindly and that my book

1836
01:28:42,370 --> 01:28:38,840
has been a best-seller in in Turkey I

1837
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:42,380
mean in in Turkish language edition yes

1838
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:44,960
it's on sale or certainly was until

1839
01:28:51,700 --> 01:28:48,800
recently in virtually every major

1840
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:51,710
bookshop particularly those obviously

1841
01:28:56,589 --> 01:28:52,880
that will have sections on ancient

1842
01:28:59,260 --> 01:28:56,599
history but beyond this I'm now banned

1843
01:29:02,109 --> 01:28:59,270
from Turkey and the reason why I'm

1844
01:29:03,550 --> 01:29:02,119
banned from Turkey or I'll say Bank what

1845
01:29:06,700 --> 01:29:03,560
I mean by that is if I turned up I'd be

1846
01:29:09,879 --> 01:29:06,710
immediately arrested is that I wrote a

1847
01:29:12,609 --> 01:29:09,889
book in 1996 called from the ashes of

1848
01:29:17,140 --> 01:29:12,619
angels again it's been a best-seller it

1849
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:17,150
was in Times bestseller list and back

1850
01:29:22,109 --> 01:29:19,040
then ourselves a little younger a little

1851
01:29:25,649 --> 01:29:22,119
bit more naive and I included a lot of

1852
01:29:30,339 --> 01:29:25,659
material in there about Kurdish identity

1853
01:29:34,030 --> 01:29:30,349
religion and culture and I dedicated the

1854
01:29:36,010 --> 01:29:34,040
book to Kurdish people very bad move I

1855
01:29:38,020 --> 01:29:36,020
mean at the time you think this is this

1856
01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:38,030
is a great thing to do you know stick it

1857
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:40,639
to the man and rest of it but you don't

1858
01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:42,050
realize these things are gonna come back

1859
01:29:47,140 --> 01:29:44,239
and bite you many many years later in

1860
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:47,150
fact decades later because what happened

1861
01:29:53,589 --> 01:29:51,290
was the vert fairly recently my book in

1862
01:29:56,589 --> 01:29:53,599
it Kurdish language so in it Turkish

1863
01:29:59,970 --> 01:29:56,599
language edition was given to a prisoner

1864
01:30:03,669 --> 01:29:59,980
in a jail quite clearly occurred him

1865
01:30:05,319 --> 01:30:03,679
incarcerated and the jailer

1866
01:30:08,020 --> 01:30:05,329
took it away from and said what is this

1867
01:30:10,810 --> 01:30:08,030
and it was presented to the local

1868
01:30:14,609 --> 01:30:10,820
authorities it went to cult it was

1869
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:14,619
deemed that this book promoted Kurdish

1870
01:30:21,609 --> 01:30:18,650
you know identity and thus must be

1871
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:21,619
banned and all copies destroyed in the

1872
01:30:26,140 --> 01:30:24,320
country and that's what's happened so

1873
01:30:27,700 --> 01:30:26,150
that you know obviously I've we've been

1874
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:27,710
following this very closely

1875
01:30:32,440 --> 01:30:30,320
and it has been advised that if I went

1876
01:30:35,380 --> 01:30:32,450
to Turkey there's a good chance I would

1877
01:30:38,260 --> 01:30:35,390
be arrested so clearly I would not be

1878
01:30:41,140 --> 01:30:38,270
going back to go back to Taipei anytime

1879
01:30:42,490 --> 01:30:41,150
soon so good luck in 2020 but just

1880
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:42,500
remember me when up when you're there

1881
01:30:47,050 --> 01:30:44,930
I'm gonna wear a Andrew Collins t-shirt

1882
01:30:53,620 --> 01:30:47,060
and take some pictures see this is the

1883
01:30:57,940 --> 01:30:53,630
thing Andrew I have had this fear this

1884
01:31:00,280 --> 01:30:57,950
Pandora's Box that because of these

1885
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:00,290
exciting discoveries right now that are

1886
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:03,730
going down in modern-day Turkey that the

1887
01:31:09,690 --> 01:31:05,890
Turkish universities and the

1888
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:09,700
archaeologists there are going to

1889
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:14,570
present this as as Turkish discoveries

1890
01:31:22,450 --> 01:31:19,760
from Turkish ancestry when anybody that

1891
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:22,460
understands history knows that Turkey is

1892
01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:24,890
600 years old and prior to that it was

1893
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:27,110
the Armenian Highlands that's the end of

1894
01:31:32,260 --> 01:31:28,970
the story it was the Armenian Highlands

1895
01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:32,270
for 6,000 years right this isn't

1896
01:31:38,020 --> 01:31:35,360
something modern but as these

1897
01:31:40,210 --> 01:31:38,030
discoveries you know even going you know

1898
01:31:43,810 --> 01:31:40,220
like if a man right that suddenly this

1899
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:43,820
is a Turkish sculpture that that all of

1900
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:45,890
these discoveries in southern Turkey

1901
01:31:54,130 --> 01:31:50,000
right now are of the Turkish people and

1902
01:31:56,230 --> 01:31:54,140
and that's probably ultimately like you

1903
01:31:59,800 --> 01:31:56,240
are just presenting is what's gonna

1904
01:32:02,620 --> 01:31:59,810
happen with gobekli tepe well I mean

1905
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:02,630
obviously you know what's going on in

1906
01:32:06,610 --> 01:32:04,370
northern Syria with the Kurds at the

1907
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:06,620
moment is just basically ethnic

1908
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:08,930
cleansing again you know thousands of

1909
01:32:16,270 --> 01:32:12,290
people being killed virtually on a daily

1910
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:16,280
basis by by Turkish Armed Forces you

1911
01:32:22,450 --> 01:32:17,930
know trying to clear the area completely

1912
01:32:25,630 --> 01:32:22,460
off of any Kurdish ethnicity that's

1913
01:32:28,290 --> 01:32:25,640
obviously very sad and and I seriously

1914
01:32:31,030 --> 01:32:28,300
angers me because you know I mean I've

1915
01:32:32,710 --> 01:32:31,040
had a lot of contact with Kurdish people

1916
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:32,720
and they're brilliant brilliant great

1917
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:35,690
people and you know that they they have

1918
01:32:38,530 --> 01:32:37,250
their own culture identity and religion

1919
01:32:41,470 --> 01:32:38,540
I mean they've got three different

1920
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:41,480
religions yes i d-- ism

1921
01:32:47,470 --> 01:32:45,290
garrison and Olivos and and these these

1922
01:32:49,660 --> 01:32:47,480
people believe in angels they believe in

1923
01:32:51,700 --> 01:32:49,670
all sorts of interesting mysticism I

1924
01:32:54,190 --> 01:32:51,710
write they see what I write about it

1925
01:32:56,290 --> 01:32:54,200
from the ashes of angels I mean big and

1926
01:32:58,600 --> 01:32:56,300
it was I so fascinated me that all of

1927
01:33:01,420 --> 01:32:58,610
these ideas which almost certainly

1928
01:33:03,220 --> 01:33:01,430
derive from the Neolithic Age are still

1929
01:33:07,060 --> 01:33:03,230
around to die and these people are still

1930
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:07,070
you know connecting with the angels and

1931
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:09,770
the Watchers and everything that clearly

1932
01:33:15,460 --> 01:33:13,130
related to the foundations of

1933
01:33:16,900 --> 01:33:15,470
civilization in that region and I

1934
01:33:19,810 --> 01:33:16,910
remembered him things like the Book of

1935
01:33:21,010 --> 01:33:19,820
Enoch and whatever and all of this has

1936
01:33:23,950 --> 01:33:21,020
been wiped out

1937
01:33:27,310 --> 01:33:23,960
I mean literally because you know it's

1938
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:27,320
it's seen as unorthodox to Islamic

1939
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:31,010
religion and this is you know a very sad

1940
01:33:34,810 --> 01:33:32,210
state of affairs

1941
01:33:38,140 --> 01:33:34,820
I mean Pratt we probably don't want to

1942
01:33:40,630 --> 01:33:38,150
go down this road to too far because you

1943
01:33:43,900 --> 01:33:40,640
know it's not really the brief of the

1944
01:33:45,820 --> 01:33:43,910
program but it pisses me off to be

1945
01:33:48,130 --> 01:33:45,830
honest quite clearly and I wish I could

1946
01:33:50,620 --> 01:33:48,140
do something about it you know we did a

1947
01:33:53,620 --> 01:33:50,630
conference recently you know we did a

1948
01:33:56,620 --> 01:33:53,630
whole charity thing you know for the

1949
01:33:58,270 --> 01:33:56,630
women of the use IDs for their charity

1950
01:34:00,910 --> 01:33:58,280
and that's the best that we can really

1951
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:00,920
do at this time because you know you

1952
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:03,410
can't stop the might of the of the

1953
01:34:09,340 --> 01:34:06,490
Turkish army destroying an entire

1954
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:09,350
culture you know which is exactly what

1955
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:11,840
it's doing at the moment but you know

1956
01:34:15,340 --> 01:34:13,610
and right in the midst of this is Quebec

1957
01:34:18,190 --> 01:34:15,350
eat a pie I mean that whole area is

1958
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:18,200
Kurdish people still speak Kurdish to

1959
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:21,970
this died in the area of shandler fur

1960
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:26,480
and it's it's it's so sensitive the fact

1961
01:34:32,860 --> 01:34:29,170
that Quebec it's epic is in this area

1962
01:34:36,100 --> 01:34:32,870
now you know the other thing is that the

1963
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:36,110
Turkish tourism are promoting Quebec it

1964
01:34:39,850 --> 01:34:37,970
ever come to Quebec the tip I see the

1965
01:34:43,810 --> 01:34:39,860
oldest you know whatever they're calling

1966
01:34:48,220 --> 01:34:43,820
it in the world and yet this is an area

1967
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:48,230
that if you look on every government

1968
01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:50,570
advisory website will still tell you

1969
01:34:55,330 --> 01:34:52,310
don't go to this area because there's

1970
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:55,340
problems there isn't by the way

1971
01:34:59,560 --> 01:34:57,530
mean you know you go to they love you

1972
01:35:01,600 --> 01:34:59,570
and if you go to to the area of sham

1973
01:35:05,709 --> 01:35:01,610
loafer the people are great I've never

1974
01:35:08,020 --> 01:35:05,719
had any problems but quite clearly it is

1975
01:35:09,459 --> 01:35:08,030
somewhere that like a tinderbox just

1976
01:35:12,129 --> 01:35:09,469
waited to go off and I think there is a

1977
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:12,139
lot of people that actually fear that

1978
01:35:15,879 --> 01:35:14,239
Gobekli tap I will be destroyed at some

1979
01:35:22,689 --> 01:35:15,889
point in the future because of what it

1980
01:35:24,129 --> 01:35:22,699
symbolizes I did see last year some

1981
01:35:26,979 --> 01:35:24,139
photographs that came out of Gobekli

1982
01:35:29,649 --> 01:35:26,989
Tepe of them pouring concrete and and

1983
01:35:34,180 --> 01:35:29,659
and covering some of the areas and and

1984
01:35:36,550 --> 01:35:34,190
destroying some of the architects and

1985
01:35:38,770 --> 01:35:36,560
architectural archaeological areas there

1986
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:38,780
why would they why would they pour

1987
01:35:45,339 --> 01:35:42,290
concrete in every section every square

1988
01:35:48,250 --> 01:35:45,349
inch of Gobekli Tepe be undisturbed

1989
01:35:50,950 --> 01:35:48,260
they're seeing under it right I mean

1990
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:50,960
going on four acres yeah I mean just out

1991
01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:53,210
of interest this was this was a bit of a

1992
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:54,800
mountain out of a molehill to be honest

1993
01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:56,810
I mean it was only on an approach route

1994
01:36:02,649 --> 01:36:00,080
to it I mean it wasn't actually on the

1995
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:02,659
main occupational Mound so you know that

1996
01:36:08,530 --> 01:36:05,090
was totally over overplayed that story

1997
01:36:10,089 --> 01:36:08,540
but the fact is that they are creating

1998
01:36:12,250 --> 01:36:10,099
Quebec attempt a is almost like the

1999
01:36:14,649 --> 01:36:12,260
Turkish Stonehenge I mean if you go to

2000
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:14,659
Stonehenge in England you know you go to

2001
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:17,090
the Visitor Center which is about you

2002
01:36:22,930 --> 01:36:19,690
know a mile and a half away from the

2003
01:36:24,189 --> 01:36:22,940
site now you park your cars there you go

2004
01:36:26,500 --> 01:36:24,199
through the visitor centers and the

2005
01:36:29,530 --> 01:36:26,510
shops and you get on a a coach that

2006
01:36:31,359 --> 01:36:29,540
takes you to the actual site of

2007
01:36:33,399 --> 01:36:31,369
Stonehenge which is fine it's like one

2008
01:36:36,220 --> 01:36:33,409
with that they're doing the same thing

2009
01:36:38,589 --> 01:36:36,230
at Quebec eat a pie exactly the same

2010
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:38,599
thing you know they're modeling it on

2011
01:36:45,490 --> 01:36:42,050
Stonehenge and again nothing wrong with

2012
01:36:48,700 --> 01:36:45,500
that at all but they are creating it as

2013
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:48,710
this this symbol of something which they

2014
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:53,690
are trying to advocate and push as the

2015
01:36:58,720 --> 01:36:55,760
place in Turkey that you should come to

2016
01:37:01,780 --> 01:36:58,730
but the fact of the matter is very few

2017
01:37:04,450 --> 01:37:01,790
Westerners do go to that area because

2018
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:04,460
they do still fear that there are

2019
01:37:08,740 --> 01:37:07,489
problems there and that you know bad

2020
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:08,750
things can happen

2021
01:37:14,590 --> 01:37:11,090
it's just simple fact I mean I know this

2022
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:14,600
because I put on to us to go there

2023
01:37:19,930 --> 01:37:16,970
clearly I won't be going there on those

2024
01:37:22,590 --> 01:37:19,940
tours in the future but you know I'm

2025
01:37:26,860 --> 01:37:22,600
still involved with those two died and

2026
01:37:29,980 --> 01:37:26,870
you know there is no problems but there

2027
01:37:32,740 --> 01:37:29,990
is this this deal this fear particularly

2028
01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:32,750
at the moment with with all the problems

2029
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:35,510
that's going on in northern Syria and

2030
01:37:39,820 --> 01:37:37,250
the Kurds you know being ethnically

2031
01:37:41,650 --> 01:37:39,830
cleansed which is just miles away from

2032
01:37:45,220 --> 01:37:41,660
about the tepuy I mean you know you

2033
01:37:47,260 --> 01:37:45,230
could walk to the border of Syria from

2034
01:37:52,060 --> 01:37:47,270
Quebec elite Empire if you really wanted

2035
01:37:55,300 --> 01:37:52,070
to so you know he can't get away from

2036
01:37:57,730 --> 01:37:55,310
the fact that it's discovery the fact

2037
01:38:00,400 --> 01:37:57,740
that I mean there was even a Quebec

2038
01:38:02,500 --> 01:38:00,410
e-type a fashion show in Istanbul

2039
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:02,510
recently which I highlighted on my

2040
01:38:08,620 --> 01:38:06,290
Facebook page the same week that you

2041
01:38:11,170 --> 01:38:08,630
know that that all of the tanks roll

2042
01:38:13,330 --> 01:38:11,180
over into from from Turkey into northern

2043
01:38:15,820 --> 01:38:13,340
Syria and are just wiping out the Kurds

2044
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:15,830
whose ancestors almost certainly were

2045
01:38:19,570 --> 01:38:18,290
involved with the creation of Gobekli

2046
01:38:22,330 --> 01:38:19,580
Tepe

2047
01:38:24,940 --> 01:38:22,340
again this is denied by the Turks but I

2048
01:38:28,110 --> 01:38:24,950
mean as I share in the latest book that

2049
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:28,120
the Kurdish language has similarities

2050
01:38:35,230 --> 01:38:32,960
with certain or alik languages that very

2051
01:38:37,180 --> 01:38:35,240
clearly come from as far away as the

2052
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:37,190
Ural Mountains and almost certainly

2053
01:38:44,890 --> 01:38:41,570
beyond into Western Siberia this has

2054
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:44,900
been noted by various scholars which

2055
01:38:49,210 --> 01:38:47,210
means that you know what we say about

2056
01:38:50,650 --> 01:38:49,220
the builders of Quebec except by coming

2057
01:38:52,780 --> 01:38:50,660
in from the north and being connected

2058
01:38:55,510 --> 01:38:52,790
with the Kurds is almost certainly

2059
01:38:58,770 --> 01:38:55,520
correct yes of course the Armenians as

2060
01:39:01,600 --> 01:38:58,780
well the Armenian culture identity

2061
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:01,610
religion also has a lot of similarities

2062
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:03,530
with what's going on in the area of

2063
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:06,170
Gobekli Tepe so they obviously are

2064
01:39:12,460 --> 01:39:09,890
another strain of culture that have

2065
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:12,470
contributed to what what went on there

2066
01:39:16,150 --> 01:39:13,280
in the past

2067
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:16,160
how many gobekli tepe z-- are there yet

2068
01:39:19,870 --> 01:39:17,440
to be discovered

2069
01:39:22,450 --> 01:39:19,880
well Quebec it separates the biggest

2070
01:39:24,850 --> 01:39:22,460
there's no question about that

2071
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:24,860
but you have karahan Taipei which I

2072
01:39:30,430 --> 01:39:27,130
describe as you know the sister of

2073
01:39:35,620 --> 01:39:30,440
Gobekli Tepe that's about another 25

2074
01:39:37,859 --> 01:39:35,630
miles to the east of of Chandler from

2075
01:39:41,260 --> 01:39:37,869
Quebec it's a pain that's being

2076
01:39:44,620 --> 01:39:41,270
excavated now for the first time by a

2077
01:39:47,049 --> 01:39:44,630
team from Istanbul University up to this

2078
01:39:48,729 --> 01:39:47,059
time they're not done much at all there

2079
01:39:50,890 --> 01:39:48,739
they've done a few test pits over that

2080
01:39:53,470 --> 01:39:50,900
was all so that's something that will

2081
01:39:56,169 --> 01:39:53,480
also open up in the future I've written

2082
01:39:59,049 --> 01:39:56,179
about that in various of my books but

2083
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:59,059
they keep finding little mini gobekli

2084
01:40:04,029 --> 01:40:01,280
tepe all over the region in fact that

2085
01:40:07,379 --> 01:40:04,039
they're now up to about I think about 15

2086
01:40:10,799 --> 01:40:07,389
of them and all of these are more simple

2087
01:40:13,899 --> 01:40:10,809
cult structures like an individual

2088
01:40:18,250 --> 01:40:13,909
enclosure from Quebec attempt I isolated

2089
01:40:20,500 --> 01:40:18,260
with a few t-shaped pillars a few

2090
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:20,510
similar carvings and statues to what you

2091
01:40:26,229 --> 01:40:22,489
find about the type I but most of these

2092
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:26,239
are date to the tail end of the Quebec

2093
01:40:33,459 --> 01:40:28,130
attempt a period so I'm going to say

2094
01:40:34,990 --> 01:40:33,469
about 8,000 to 8,500 BC one recently

2095
01:40:39,220 --> 01:40:35,000
they found they reckon goes back to

2096
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:39,230
9,000 300 BC but that's you know

2097
01:40:43,870 --> 01:40:41,210
isolating most of them go to the end of

2098
01:40:46,649 --> 01:40:43,880
this period and that's it I mean after

2099
01:40:49,779 --> 01:40:46,659
that time they stopped building

2100
01:40:51,939 --> 01:40:49,789
enclosures with t-shaped stones after

2101
01:40:54,279 --> 01:40:51,949
that they couldn't be bothered to carve

2102
01:40:56,589 --> 01:40:54,289
any further so they actually just had

2103
01:40:59,080 --> 01:40:56,599
what we'd call megaliths you know just

2104
01:41:01,899 --> 01:40:59,090
you know just rough stones that they

2105
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:01,909
would build you know in enclosures and

2106
01:41:06,490 --> 01:41:03,440
whatever and this of course is the

2107
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:06,500
beginning of the megalithic culture that

2108
01:41:12,220 --> 01:41:10,010
eventually ends up pulsing as a wave

2109
01:41:14,049 --> 01:41:12,230
throughout Europe and obviously into

2110
01:41:16,450 --> 01:41:14,059
other parts of the world and finally

2111
01:41:20,140 --> 01:41:16,460
ends up in places like Britain with the

2112
01:41:24,060 --> 01:41:20,150
creation of structures like you know

2113
01:41:26,709 --> 01:41:24,070
Stonehenge and I pray these other

2114
01:41:32,220 --> 01:41:26,719
locations that are being looked at right

2115
01:41:35,380 --> 01:41:32,230
now is there the same comet symbology

2116
01:41:39,130 --> 01:41:35,390
the vulture symbology scorpy

2117
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:39,140
Fox's not really no because that they're

2118
01:41:44,170 --> 01:41:41,570
so late on in the day you see I think

2119
01:41:47,980 --> 01:41:44,180
what happened is that there was a lot of

2120
01:41:51,700 --> 01:41:47,990
motivation for getting it right from

2121
01:41:54,700 --> 01:41:51,710
about 9600 through to about I'm going to

2122
01:41:57,550 --> 01:41:54,710
say about 8500 but I think after this

2123
01:42:00,120 --> 01:41:57,560
time once there was no more cataclysms

2124
01:42:02,410 --> 01:42:00,130
taking place people decided that they

2125
01:42:05,130 --> 01:42:02,420
would just go through the motions for a

2126
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:05,140
while but they build much smaller

2127
01:42:09,460 --> 01:42:07,370
enclosures I mean in fact some of them

2128
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:09,470
are sort of no bigger than the size of a

2129
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:13,010
family bathroom or jacuzzi with little

2130
01:42:18,850 --> 01:42:15,410
benches with tiny little stones probably

2131
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:18,860
about 4 or 5 feet tall and it's like

2132
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:20,690
that it's like like they've lost

2133
01:42:25,480 --> 01:42:22,400
interest in doing it but they're just

2134
01:42:29,110 --> 01:42:25,490
doing it because they have to and then

2135
01:42:30,910 --> 01:42:29,120
you get to about 8000 BC some expand

2136
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:30,920
they said look we can't be bothered to

2137
01:42:34,990 --> 01:42:33,050
do this anymore let's just let's just go

2138
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:35,000
off and do our own thing now and that's

2139
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:38,210
the beginning of the Neolithic

2140
01:42:43,540 --> 01:42:40,130
Revolution that takes place in other

2141
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:43,550
areas of Turkey and Southwest Turkey for

2142
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:46,130
instance and beyond that into Bulgaria

2143
01:42:50,740 --> 01:42:48,170
and Eastern Europe and obviously in

2144
01:42:54,460 --> 01:42:50,750
other parts of the Eurasian continent as

2145
01:42:56,500 --> 01:42:54,470
well and by that time they had different

2146
01:42:58,990 --> 01:42:56,510
interests because they've now got

2147
01:43:02,740 --> 01:42:59,000
agriculture they're now much more

2148
01:43:04,750 --> 01:43:02,750
dependent upon the Sun and the fact that

2149
01:43:08,020 --> 01:43:04,760
the Sun ripened in the crops and

2150
01:43:09,490 --> 01:43:08,030
returning each year so what you find is

2151
01:43:12,490 --> 01:43:09,500
that the enclosures are no longer

2152
01:43:14,770 --> 01:43:12,500
orientated towards the stars like Cygnus

2153
01:43:17,530 --> 01:43:14,780
or some might say you know Orion or

2154
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:17,540
whatever but are now being focused

2155
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:22,130
purely on the Sun and at the time of the

2156
01:43:28,650 --> 01:43:25,730
equinoxes from the solstices because

2157
01:43:32,010 --> 01:43:28,660
that's now their main focus of attention

2158
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:32,020
for their religious or ceremonial

2159
01:43:38,020 --> 01:43:35,360
activity so they've lost that original

2160
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:38,030
impetus of wanting to go to the sky

2161
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:41,210
world through certain gateways that

2162
01:43:45,540 --> 01:43:43,280
would lead them into this that the sky

2163
01:43:48,409 --> 01:43:45,550
you know Cygnus or Ryan or whatever

2164
01:43:51,409 --> 01:43:48,419
they've now focused

2165
01:43:54,049 --> 01:43:51,419
primarily on the Sun and orientating

2166
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:54,059
their structures towards that because

2167
01:43:58,279 --> 01:43:56,010
that's that's what they that was the

2168
01:44:00,290 --> 01:43:58,289
important thing to them now when we come

2169
01:44:03,169 --> 01:44:00,300
back after the break we're gonna talk

2170
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:03,179
about Israel but before we get there one

2171
01:44:11,239 --> 01:44:05,130
last question about gobekli tepe

2172
01:44:12,979 --> 01:44:11,249
is why bury it well it was well because

2173
01:44:15,919 --> 01:44:12,989
they decommissioning that's what they're

2174
01:44:18,859 --> 01:44:15,929
doing you know that there are there have

2175
01:44:21,799 --> 01:44:18,869
been ideas put out there that Quebec

2176
01:44:23,509 --> 01:44:21,809
DTaP I was hurriedly buried at the end

2177
01:44:25,879 --> 01:44:23,519
of its life you know possibly because

2178
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:25,889
another catastrophe was about to take

2179
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:27,570
place there's no evidence of that

2180
01:44:31,969 --> 01:44:30,570
whatsoever absolutely none basically

2181
01:44:35,359 --> 01:44:31,979
what they were doing is they were

2182
01:44:38,989 --> 01:44:35,369
creating a layer cake of activity they

2183
01:44:40,819 --> 01:44:38,999
would build one enclosure let's say 100

2184
01:44:43,580 --> 01:44:40,829
years later or however long it was

2185
01:44:45,889 --> 01:44:43,590
though they would take away what stones

2186
01:44:49,310 --> 01:44:45,899
they needed smash a few of the ones that

2187
01:44:50,929 --> 01:44:49,320
remained I just cover it over like they

2188
01:44:55,219 --> 01:44:50,939
were killing it they were killing the

2189
01:44:57,080 --> 01:44:55,229
site probably be to stop spirit

2190
01:44:58,669 --> 01:44:57,090
influences coming through then they'd

2191
01:45:00,949 --> 01:44:58,679
build another one either on top of it on

2192
01:45:03,589 --> 01:45:00,959
the side of it and they gradually create

2193
01:45:06,589 --> 01:45:03,599
what we call go back it's a pie which is

2194
01:45:08,929 --> 01:45:06,599
this artificial mound and at the end of

2195
01:45:10,939 --> 01:45:08,939
it any remaining enclosures were just

2196
01:45:12,169 --> 01:45:10,949
covered over the people just walked away

2197
01:45:16,909 --> 01:45:12,179
that's what happened

2198
01:45:19,639 --> 01:45:16,919
well when when I hear this idea or what

2199
01:45:22,699 --> 01:45:19,649
freaks me out is that there may be

2200
01:45:26,509 --> 01:45:22,709
something underneath gobekli tepe that

2201
01:45:29,209 --> 01:45:26,519
is much older thousands of years older

2202
01:45:32,379 --> 01:45:29,219
then that's going to be pretty hard to

2203
01:45:35,509 --> 01:45:32,389
explain away it's one thing to develop

2204
01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:35,519
theories on and what we know about now

2205
01:45:41,209 --> 01:45:38,489
but if this is a layer cake and I've

2206
01:45:42,709 --> 01:45:41,219
heard this suggested many time then

2207
01:45:47,060 --> 01:45:42,719
we're dealing with something that is

2208
01:45:50,569 --> 01:45:47,070
quite possibly thousands of years older

2209
01:45:53,060 --> 01:45:50,579
and we are getting seriously into the

2210
01:45:56,750 --> 01:45:53,070
middle of the last ice age and the other

2211
01:45:59,389 --> 01:45:56,760
idea is that maybe maybe they were

2212
01:46:01,330 --> 01:45:59,399
preserving it for us because they

2213
01:46:05,050 --> 01:46:01,340
certainly

2214
01:46:08,590 --> 01:46:05,060
left it in the state that it was in at

2215
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:08,600
9600 BC right there's there's so many

2216
01:46:12,890 --> 01:46:11,010
you know avenues you could take from

2217
01:46:15,050 --> 01:46:12,900
just what you've just said there I mean

2218
01:46:17,150 --> 01:46:15,060
I mean I've had conversations with

2219
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:17,160
people like Graham Hancock on this and

2220
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:20,490
you know his belief is that it was you

2221
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:23,010
know covered over and preserved for us

2222
01:46:28,940 --> 01:46:25,770
to find mm-hmm quite literally and that

2223
01:46:30,770 --> 01:46:28,950
we would interpret symbolism we'd

2224
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:30,780
realize that the symbolism related to

2225
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:32,880
comets and impacts and we this would be

2226
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:35,280
like a a warning and early warning for

2227
01:46:41,990 --> 01:46:39,210
us to look into this and watch out in

2228
01:46:44,300 --> 01:46:42,000
the skies right now if that's the case I

2229
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:44,310
is this something that was consciously

2230
01:46:50,300 --> 01:46:47,610
done by the builders or was it an

2231
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:50,310
intuitive thing I'd say it was more

2232
01:46:57,530 --> 01:46:52,530
intuitive than consciously done if that

2233
01:47:00,620 --> 01:46:57,540
were the case but as far as as as

2234
01:47:03,020 --> 01:47:00,630
whether that was real or not it brings

2235
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:03,030
in the idea of entanglement the idea of

2236
01:47:07,370 --> 01:47:04,890
quantum entanglement the fact that

2237
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:07,380
what's going on at Quebec the tepuy is

2238
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:11,010
still going on to die because of the

2239
01:47:14,900 --> 01:47:12,570
concept of quantum entanglement

2240
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:14,910
particles interlinked across space and

2241
01:47:19,220 --> 01:47:15,930
time

2242
01:47:20,900 --> 01:47:19,230
you know every particle all particles

2243
01:47:23,330 --> 01:47:20,910
you know those in my brain those in your

2244
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:23,340
brains those in my future selfs brain

2245
01:47:27,950 --> 01:47:26,010
those in my right you know me in the

2246
01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:27,960
past brain we're all interlinked we're

2247
01:47:35,620 --> 01:47:31,970
all a part of one huge network or matrix

2248
01:47:38,570 --> 01:47:35,630
that's all taking place at the same time

2249
01:47:41,300 --> 01:47:38,580
yeah I think that there is something to

2250
01:47:42,980 --> 01:47:41,310
that but whether the people at Quebec

2251
01:47:46,130 --> 01:47:42,990
Lee today we're doing that on purpose or

2252
01:47:47,390 --> 01:47:46,140
not I'm not sure maybe they did think

2253
01:47:49,490 --> 01:47:47,400
yeah we should leave some of these

2254
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:49,500
stones for what's coming in the future I

2255
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:51,690
don't know but certainly that's not a

2256
01:47:56,090 --> 01:47:53,760
part of archaeology and history

2257
01:48:00,680 --> 01:47:56,100
what's more important obviously is is

2258
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:00,690
the legacy that the imagery tells us and

2259
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:03,210
what else is going on there now I don't

2260
01:48:08,330 --> 01:48:05,130
personally believe that you're going to

2261
01:48:10,130 --> 01:48:08,340
find stuff going on there that thousands

2262
01:48:13,340 --> 01:48:10,140
of years earlier this was the idea that

2263
01:48:14,209 --> 01:48:13,350
Klaus Schmidt the German archaeologist

2264
01:48:16,220 --> 01:48:14,219
who on

2265
01:48:18,830 --> 01:48:16,230
at the site for the first time did

2266
01:48:21,500 --> 01:48:18,840
believe because there was a reason that

2267
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:21,510
he believed that because well he said

2268
01:48:25,220 --> 01:48:23,280
was that the people that were here

2269
01:48:27,709 --> 01:48:25,230
couldn't possibly have just started

2270
01:48:30,670 --> 01:48:27,719
carving all this incredible stuff

2271
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:30,680
without thousands of years of

2272
01:48:35,959 --> 01:48:34,170
experimentation and development leading

2273
01:48:38,330 --> 01:48:35,969
up to this that's the reason why he

2274
01:48:39,979 --> 01:48:38,340
suggested this and obviously certain of

2275
01:48:42,890 --> 01:48:39,989
my colleagues have run with this and

2276
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:42,900
said yeah obviously we will find stuff

2277
01:48:49,100 --> 01:48:46,050
that thousands of years earlier but I

2278
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:49,110
think that that earlier stuff is in

2279
01:48:53,930 --> 01:48:51,570
other sites I I would I can tell you

2280
01:48:57,260 --> 01:48:53,940
where it was almost certainly it was to

2281
01:49:00,020 --> 01:48:57,270
the north northwest of Gobekli Tepe in

2282
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:00,030
the area of the huge mountain called

2283
01:49:08,959 --> 01:49:06,530
Nimrod are in the adder diam diam on

2284
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:08,969
province which is just to the north of

2285
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:11,760
Sandler for province because stuff goes

2286
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:14,400
back there to about you know thirteen

2287
01:49:21,110 --> 01:49:19,050
fifteen thousand BC and I think that the

2288
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:21,120
the people of Quebec eat a pie sore

2289
01:49:26,420 --> 01:49:23,610
there are media ancestors as having come

2290
01:49:29,540 --> 01:49:26,430
from that area and those people came

2291
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:29,550
from the north in other words those that

2292
01:49:34,100 --> 01:49:32,130
built Gobekli Tepe I don't think would

2293
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:34,110
do well not all of them at least we're

2294
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:36,330
directly coming from you know the

2295
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:37,770
Russian steppe I think that they were

2296
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:41,130
doing it in stages and that the

2297
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:43,530
immediate precursor to Quebec attempt a

2298
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:46,560
were coming in from another location

2299
01:49:50,900 --> 01:49:48,960
now also we've got to remember that not

2300
01:49:52,870 --> 01:49:50,910
that far away from Quebec except I are

2301
01:49:56,660 --> 01:49:52,880
all these underground cities in

2302
01:49:58,189 --> 01:49:56,670
Cappadocia which I've investigated you

2303
01:50:01,220 --> 01:49:58,199
know since my book from the ashes of

2304
01:50:02,959 --> 01:50:01,230
angel so you know I was out there and I

2305
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:02,969
found evidence that they go back to

2306
01:50:07,610 --> 01:50:05,370
paralytic times in other words at the

2307
01:50:09,290 --> 01:50:07,620
end of the last ice age so there's a

2308
01:50:11,540 --> 01:50:09,300
good chance that some of the people that

2309
01:50:15,229 --> 01:50:11,550
that went on to influence Quebec attempt

2310
01:50:18,500 --> 01:50:15,239
I heard earlier being involved with the

2311
01:50:20,959 --> 01:50:18,510
construction of the the first phases of

2312
01:50:23,540 --> 01:50:20,969
those underground cities I think that

2313
01:50:25,490 --> 01:50:23,550
that's also quite possible as well so

2314
01:50:27,290 --> 01:50:25,500
you know it's not as easy just to say

2315
01:50:28,010 --> 01:50:27,300
that there were people turned up at

2316
01:50:29,930 --> 01:50:28,020
Quebec

2317
01:50:33,020 --> 01:50:29,940
and said look gather around everybody

2318
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:33,030
let's let's make the stone enclosures it

2319
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:35,040
doesn't happen like that I mean this is

2320
01:50:39,770 --> 01:50:37,170
clearly something that's gone on over a

2321
01:50:42,710 --> 01:50:39,780
number of generations that's ended up

2322
01:50:45,860 --> 01:50:42,720
with what we see there but what I do

2323
01:50:48,650 --> 01:50:45,870
know what I do feel is that the

2324
01:50:49,970 --> 01:50:48,660
technology involved with it did come in

2325
01:50:51,770 --> 01:50:49,980
from the north

2326
01:50:54,710 --> 01:50:51,780
not just Armenia and not just the

2327
01:50:58,220 --> 01:50:54,720
Caucasus but beyond it onto the Russian

2328
01:51:00,710 --> 01:50:58,230
steppe and then much further eastwards

2329
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:00,720
into the Urals where we're beginning to

2330
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:03,330
find evidence of coat structures there

2331
01:51:09,260 --> 01:51:06,810
with similarities to go back to PI let's

2332
01:51:11,420 --> 01:51:09,270
take our last break right here when we

2333
01:51:14,930 --> 01:51:11,430
come back we're gonna we're gonna head

2334
01:51:16,730 --> 01:51:14,940
west southwest down into Israel this is

2335
01:51:21,140 --> 01:51:16,740
fade to black our guest tonight Andrew

2336
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:21,150
Collins Vanessa van origins is the book

2337
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:23,850
it's an incredible read and once again

2338
01:51:29,180 --> 01:51:26,610
the links are over at Jimmy Turks radio

2339
01:51:43,130 --> 01:51:29,190
com I'll be right back after this short

2340
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:45,900
welcome back pain to black an amazing

2341
01:51:58,590 --> 01:51:56,130
incredible conversation and now we're

2342
01:52:03,150 --> 01:51:58,600
gonna switch gears a little bit and and

2343
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:03,160
jump over to the Kesem cave which is a

2344
01:52:10,860 --> 01:52:06,330
lower Paleolithic archaeological site

2345
01:52:13,470 --> 01:52:10,870
just east of Tel Aviv and Andrew what's

2346
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:13,480
going on there well if this was

2347
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:15,370
something that was on my radar you know

2348
01:52:19,140 --> 01:52:17,770
a few years ago because I was beginning

2349
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:19,150
to realize that something really

2350
01:52:25,170 --> 01:52:21,970
important was going on there or had been

2351
01:52:31,050 --> 01:52:25,180
as early as 400 hundred thousand years

2352
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:31,060
ago but it was brought back into my you

2353
01:52:36,540 --> 01:52:34,000
know my focus of attention just a couple

2354
01:52:39,870 --> 01:52:36,550
of months ago when it was revealed that

2355
01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:39,880
the earliest evidence of shamanism in

2356
01:52:46,260 --> 01:52:41,920
the world has just been found there in

2357
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:46,270
the form of this Swann wing bong now

2358
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:47,920
swans have been something that has been

2359
01:52:52,220 --> 01:52:49,810
very close to my heart since write in

2360
01:52:54,780 --> 01:52:52,230
the book the Cygnus mystery since in

2361
01:52:56,820 --> 01:52:54,790
2006 because obviously that's the main

2362
01:52:59,970 --> 01:52:56,830
symbol of all these stars in the sky

2363
01:53:03,270 --> 01:52:59,980
that we now see in terms of a cosmic

2364
01:53:04,830 --> 01:53:03,280
bird identified as a swan obviously in

2365
01:53:08,850 --> 01:53:04,840
other parts of the world as out as other

2366
01:53:10,950 --> 01:53:08,860
birds and here is evidence of of you

2367
01:53:12,690 --> 01:53:10,960
know Swan shamanism going on four

2368
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:12,700
hundred thousand years ago you think

2369
01:53:18,540 --> 01:53:14,770
what the hell is going on here right so

2370
01:53:20,190 --> 01:53:18,550
I started to look into it further and at

2371
01:53:22,410 --> 01:53:20,200
the very end of what's known as the

2372
01:53:24,690 --> 01:53:22,420
lower pearlitic I'd at the beginning of

2373
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:24,700
the the middle Paleolithic when it's a

2374
01:53:31,470 --> 01:53:28,890
sort of transformation in the style of

2375
01:53:34,740 --> 01:53:31,480
technology particularly to do with stone

2376
01:53:36,900 --> 01:53:34,750
coming into the Neolithic Age base not

2377
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:36,910
nearly thicker than the Anderton I is

2378
01:53:43,380 --> 01:53:39,370
that there were incredible innovations

2379
01:53:45,810 --> 01:53:43,390
going on in this cave including a type

2380
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:45,820
of static technology that doesn't

2381
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:48,370
reappear until the time of the

2382
01:53:53,670 --> 01:53:50,080
Denisovans in the darkness of a cave

2383
01:53:56,459 --> 01:53:53,680
this blade tool technology plus they

2384
01:54:01,689 --> 01:54:00,729
though they were recycling stone in a

2385
01:54:04,689 --> 01:54:01,699
way which had never been done before

2386
01:54:08,140 --> 01:54:04,699
they created the first canned food in

2387
01:54:10,270 --> 01:54:08,150
the form of of fallow deer bones with

2388
01:54:12,459 --> 01:54:10,280
the marrow in which they would wrap up

2389
01:54:14,410 --> 01:54:12,469
and keep for periods of time you have

2390
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:14,420
several weeks probably a few months so

2391
01:54:19,260 --> 01:54:15,679
they could just break it out when they

2392
01:54:22,299 --> 01:54:19,270
wanted the first canned food they also

2393
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:22,309
created the first fire house you know

2394
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:25,690
cut into the ground and they were using

2395
01:54:33,819 --> 01:54:30,530
what amounts to you know polyhedrons and

2396
01:54:35,020 --> 01:54:33,829
steroids steroids that look like sort of

2397
01:54:37,780 --> 01:54:35,030
Stone Age

2398
01:54:43,620 --> 01:54:37,790
you know crystal balls basically made of

2399
01:54:45,930 --> 01:54:43,630
Flint and also of hard limestone and the

2400
01:54:49,839 --> 01:54:45,940
archaeologists at working on this site

2401
01:54:53,129 --> 01:54:49,849
believed that these people were into

2402
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:53,139
what we'd now see as cosmology and other

2403
01:54:57,850 --> 01:54:55,520
innovations through shamanism and

2404
01:55:00,160 --> 01:54:57,860
altered states of consciousness and I'm

2405
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:00,170
reading all this thinking who the hell

2406
01:55:06,370 --> 01:55:02,090
were these people and I mean what what's

2407
01:55:09,459 --> 01:55:06,380
so unique and and then I read that they

2408
01:55:11,890 --> 01:55:09,469
found human teeth in this cave going

2409
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:11,900
back 400 thousand years that are very

2410
01:55:18,609 --> 01:55:14,210
similar to our own now bearing in mind

2411
01:55:21,490 --> 01:55:18,619
that up until recently it was believed

2412
01:55:24,280 --> 01:55:21,500
that the earliest human beings you know

2413
01:55:28,510 --> 01:55:24,290
our own ancestors Homo sapiens only go

2414
01:55:32,410 --> 01:55:28,520
back to 2,000 years ago and they noticed

2415
01:55:34,540 --> 01:55:32,420
at the farthest yeah but these guys were

2416
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:34,550
doing all this stuff in this case four

2417
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:36,050
hundred thousand years ago so who the

2418
01:55:41,410 --> 01:55:38,690
hell were they well I put my head to

2419
01:55:43,959 --> 01:55:41,420
this a few weeks ago and just started to

2420
01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:43,969
draw these sort of like human family

2421
01:55:48,459 --> 01:55:46,730
trees and trying that there we know that

2422
01:55:50,049 --> 01:55:48,469
they're not Homo erectus who were the

2423
01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:50,059
people kicking around up to that point

2424
01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:53,090
and who who created these these

2425
01:55:58,780 --> 01:55:56,090
beautiful stone axes known as the

2426
01:56:00,280 --> 01:55:58,790
chilean axis which you know we're

2427
01:56:03,819 --> 01:56:00,290
absolutely beautiful but they produced

2428
01:56:06,100 --> 01:56:03,829
almost without change for it for a

2429
01:56:08,580 --> 01:56:06,110
million years and suddenly something

2430
01:56:10,820 --> 01:56:08,590
different was going on in Israel and

2431
01:56:14,750 --> 01:56:10,830
then I worked in air

2432
01:56:18,510 --> 01:56:14,760
because the Denisovans who end up in

2433
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:18,520
Siberia and Mongolia within these

2434
01:56:23,430 --> 01:56:20,170
incredible innovations that we've been

2435
01:56:26,550 --> 01:56:23,440
talking about start their journey moving

2436
01:56:28,879 --> 01:56:26,560
through the the Levant or the Levantine

2437
01:56:33,479 --> 01:56:28,889
corridor that includes what is today

2438
01:56:36,180 --> 01:56:33,489
Israel about 400 to 450 thousand years

2439
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:36,190
ago and I started to think oh my god

2440
01:56:42,570 --> 01:56:40,330
these that could these possibly be the

2441
01:56:45,030 --> 01:56:42,580
foundation point of the Denisovans

2442
01:56:48,060 --> 01:56:45,040
himself so I started to look into this

2443
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:48,070
and what's so interesting is that the

2444
01:56:53,370 --> 01:56:50,290
Denisovans that move north and end up in

2445
01:56:57,510 --> 01:56:53,380
the areas of Siberia Mongolia Tibet and

2446
01:57:00,629 --> 01:56:57,520
China are different more evolved than

2447
01:57:03,359 --> 01:57:00,639
the Denisovans that end up going into

2448
01:57:06,959 --> 01:57:03,369
Southeast Asia and Papua New Guinea and

2449
01:57:09,479 --> 01:57:06,969
Australia they're their DNA their genome

2450
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:09,489
is slightly different it's more advanced

2451
01:57:14,160 --> 01:57:11,170
in the north not so advanced in the

2452
01:57:16,169 --> 01:57:14,170
south well if the people from the that

2453
01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:16,179
end up in in the southern territories

2454
01:57:22,530 --> 01:57:20,050
missed out on the Levant completely

2455
01:57:25,530 --> 01:57:22,540
maybe they missed out on whatever was

2456
01:57:28,979 --> 01:57:25,540
going on in the area of Israel perhaps

2457
01:57:30,479 --> 01:57:28,989
some kind of interbreeding with some you

2458
01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:30,489
know local people that were there maybe

2459
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:32,770
our own precursors what they call what

2460
01:57:38,310 --> 01:57:34,570
they're called non dispersal modern

2461
01:57:40,399 --> 01:57:38,320
humans and this is what created the

2462
01:57:42,990 --> 01:57:40,409
Denisovans that had all of this

2463
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:43,000
innovations and what's so interesting is

2464
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:46,210
in the area of Siberia and Mongolia you

2465
01:57:52,919 --> 01:57:48,850
have what's known as Swan ancestry the

2466
01:57:56,490 --> 01:57:52,929
belief from so many tribes and clans

2467
01:58:00,330 --> 01:57:56,500
that they are descended from a woman who

2468
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:00,340
was a Swan maiden who came from the sky

2469
01:58:06,629 --> 01:58:03,010
from some kind of you know bird land or

2470
01:58:10,040 --> 01:58:06,639
something that was forced to marry a

2471
01:58:13,740 --> 01:58:10,050
mortal hunter and that their offspring

2472
01:58:16,050 --> 01:58:13,750
was you know it was the foundation point

2473
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:16,060
of the tribes and clans so in other

2474
01:58:22,530 --> 01:58:17,770
words they saw their descent from this

2475
01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:22,540
jeanna tricks who was I woman who was

2476
01:58:27,450 --> 01:58:23,650
you know

2477
01:58:29,910 --> 01:58:27,460
quite literally a swan and the earliest

2478
01:58:31,890 --> 01:58:29,920
evidence of Swan shamanism outside of

2479
01:58:34,890 --> 01:58:31,900
Israel comes from Siberia from a place

2480
01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:34,900
called Malta near like Bach ow the very

2481
01:58:40,530 --> 01:58:37,330
areas where we now know that the

2482
01:58:43,110 --> 01:58:40,540
Denisovans first make contact with our

2483
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:43,120
own ancestors and handed on their

2484
01:58:47,729 --> 01:58:45,280
technologies and culture traditions and

2485
01:58:49,709 --> 01:58:47,739
cosmology or most certainly involving

2486
01:58:52,439 --> 01:58:49,719
the Swan this is what I said in my book

2487
01:58:55,050 --> 01:58:52,449
the Cygnus key it said it's being said

2488
01:58:57,149 --> 01:58:55,060
again in the nest of an origins and I'm

2489
01:59:00,689 --> 01:58:57,159
now beginning to realize that all of

2490
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:00,699
these ideas came from the area of what

2491
01:59:05,459 --> 01:59:03,370
is today Israel as much as 400,000 years

2492
01:59:08,100 --> 01:59:05,469
ago I'm now in touch with the

2493
01:59:12,120 --> 01:59:08,110
archaeologists working on the site I

2494
01:59:14,729 --> 01:59:12,130
hope to visit Israel very soon to go

2495
01:59:17,850 --> 01:59:14,739
over everything with them and what we've

2496
01:59:19,740 --> 01:59:17,860
now got are the genesis points not only

2497
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:19,750
of the Neolithic at Quebec litter pie

2498
01:59:26,459 --> 01:59:23,890
around 9600 but we also have the genesis

2499
01:59:28,590 --> 01:59:26,469
point of the so-called Upper Paleolithic

2500
01:59:32,280 --> 01:59:28,600
forty five thousand years ago which

2501
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:32,290
ashes in our own modern human age you

2502
01:59:40,350 --> 01:59:37,210
know places like the Mongolia the Dennis

2503
01:59:43,890 --> 01:59:40,360
of a cave etc but we now have the

2504
01:59:47,010 --> 01:59:43,900
genesis point of the Denisovans four

2505
01:59:49,290 --> 01:59:47,020
hundred thousand years ago in Israel at

2506
01:59:51,660 --> 01:59:49,300
places like the chasm cave that's a

2507
01:59:53,550 --> 01:59:51,670
ridiculous number you know that four

2508
01:59:58,500 --> 01:59:53,560
hundred thousand years it's a ridiculous

2509
02:00:00,600 --> 01:59:58,510
number what what I remember this is I'm

2510
02:00:02,459 --> 02:00:00,610
so glad we're talking about this when I

2511
02:00:05,090 --> 02:00:02,469
first read about the chasm caves

2512
02:00:07,500 --> 02:00:05,100
I remember hearing these crazy

2513
02:00:11,669 --> 02:00:07,510
statements right that was four hundred

2514
02:00:12,930 --> 02:00:11,679
possibly even older occupied you know

2515
02:00:19,439 --> 02:00:12,940
four hundred thousand years ago that

2516
02:00:23,130 --> 02:00:19,449
that high technology such as fire the

2517
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:23,140
cooking of fire it said they've had a

2518
02:00:30,630 --> 02:00:27,850
hearth the domestication of animals that

2519
02:00:33,629 --> 02:00:30,640
they were cooking yeah they were cooking

2520
02:00:34,790 --> 02:00:33,639
animals and that's just a crazy thought

2521
02:00:37,100 --> 02:00:34,800
no

2522
02:00:41,810 --> 02:00:37,110
my next my next question is though what

2523
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:41,820
about DNA well the problem is is that

2524
02:00:45,790 --> 02:00:43,890
once you get back to that age it is so

2525
02:00:48,230 --> 02:00:45,800
difficult to get even

2526
02:00:51,650 --> 02:00:48,240
mitochondrial DNA out of any human

2527
02:00:56,750 --> 02:00:51,660
remains so as far as I'm aware none has

2528
02:00:58,820 --> 02:00:56,760
actually been achieved so we don't know

2529
02:01:01,760 --> 02:00:58,830
who they were all we know is that the

2530
02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:01,770
earliest people that were there looked

2531
02:01:08,630 --> 02:01:05,370
similar to us now are you suggesting

2532
02:01:12,290 --> 02:01:08,640
what wait let's let's let's not are we

2533
02:01:16,010 --> 02:01:12,300
suggesting homo sapien sapien yes but

2534
02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:16,020
remember but but that this is before we

2535
02:01:20,390 --> 02:01:17,970
in theory we could exist

2536
02:01:22,670 --> 02:01:20,400
that's row what I'm proposing and I've

2537
02:01:25,250 --> 02:01:22,680
already written two articles about this

2538
02:01:28,220 --> 02:01:25,260
about the chasm cave one of which goes

2539
02:01:32,240 --> 02:01:28,230
into all of these possibilities this is

2540
02:01:34,910 --> 02:01:32,250
on ancient origins website is that what

2541
02:01:37,070 --> 02:01:34,920
I think is going on here is the genesis

2542
02:01:40,370 --> 02:01:37,080
of the Denisovans and I think that you

2543
02:01:44,330 --> 02:01:40,380
probably got some kind of admixture

2544
02:01:46,580 --> 02:01:44,340
between let's say proto Denisovans

2545
02:01:48,380 --> 02:01:46,590
coming out of africa at this time and

2546
02:01:52,580 --> 02:01:48,390
something else that's going on there who

2547
02:01:54,530 --> 02:01:52,590
are probably our own ancestors and I

2548
02:02:01,010 --> 02:01:54,540
think that the two got together

2549
02:02:02,600 --> 02:02:01,020
interbred created this hybrid and they

2550
02:02:04,940 --> 02:02:02,610
were the ones that were creating all of

2551
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:04,950
this innovation at the very end of the

2552
02:02:09,050 --> 02:02:06,810
lower politically read and the very

2553
02:02:11,600 --> 02:02:09,060
beginning of the so-called middle

2554
02:02:14,570 --> 02:02:11,610
Paleolithic period and that somehow

2555
02:02:15,320 --> 02:02:14,580
there was this spurt of activity very

2556
02:02:18,530 --> 02:02:15,330
quickly

2557
02:02:20,890 --> 02:02:18,540
these are advancements which was enough

2558
02:02:24,590 --> 02:02:20,900
to virtually create a whole population

2559
02:02:27,590 --> 02:02:24,600
that then begins to move through

2560
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:27,600
Southwest Asia into Central Asia and

2561
02:02:33,260 --> 02:02:31,530
ends up in Siberia of Mongolia and I'm

2562
02:02:36,110 --> 02:02:33,270
going to be writing about this in the

2563
02:02:37,850 --> 02:02:36,120
next book which I almost certainly will

2564
02:02:39,230 --> 02:02:37,860
be working with Gregg again on we're

2565
02:02:41,180 --> 02:02:39,240
going to yeah we will work as a good

2566
02:02:43,790 --> 02:02:41,190
team and I think that you know we can do

2567
02:02:45,500 --> 02:02:43,800
something great here but what I'm going

2568
02:02:47,880 --> 02:02:45,510
to be writing about is not so much just

2569
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:47,890
the history of this and

2570
02:02:53,660 --> 02:02:51,370
fact that it occurred but why you know I

2571
02:02:58,100 --> 02:02:53,670
mean this is not simply a case of

2572
02:03:00,630 --> 02:02:58,110
genetics or you know environment or food

2573
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:00,640
these people could have been in touch

2574
02:03:06,930 --> 02:03:03,730
with something and the archaeologists

2575
02:03:10,250 --> 02:03:06,940
himself are open to the ideas of altered

2576
02:03:14,310 --> 02:03:10,260
states of consciousness primitive

2577
02:03:16,920 --> 02:03:14,320
cosmologies and if that's the case then

2578
02:03:19,230 --> 02:03:16,930
is it possible that they believed that

2579
02:03:21,390 --> 02:03:19,240
they were in touch with some kind of

2580
02:03:25,380 --> 02:03:21,400
individualized or collective

2581
02:03:30,390 --> 02:03:25,390
intelligence that was providing them

2582
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:30,400
with the the inspiration to push forward

2583
02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:34,090
and to create new innovations and if

2584
02:03:40,620 --> 02:03:35,850
that's case is this something that

2585
02:03:44,010 --> 02:03:40,630
kick-starts different stages in human

2586
02:03:47,010 --> 02:03:44,020
evolution beginning a places like chasm

2587
02:03:49,040 --> 02:03:47,020
but also then continuing on places like

2588
02:03:51,240 --> 02:03:49,050
the dennis of a cave in Siberia

2589
02:03:53,820 --> 02:03:51,250
continuing through there to places like

2590
02:03:55,590 --> 02:03:53,830
Quebec to tap a you know and right the

2591
02:03:58,440 --> 02:03:55,600
way through obviously to the foundation

2592
02:04:00,960 --> 02:03:58,450
of monotheistic religions in Israel of

2593
02:04:03,390 --> 02:04:00,970
course in the same area it's right there

2594
02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:03,400
it's just it's right next to Tel Aviv

2595
02:04:10,980 --> 02:04:08,170
and right next to the very oldest holy

2596
02:04:14,100 --> 02:04:10,990
mountains of Israel Mount Gerizim

2597
02:04:16,170 --> 02:04:14,110
and Mount Ebal and I find this

2598
02:04:17,820 --> 02:04:16,180
intriguing and I mean I have to be

2599
02:04:20,490 --> 02:04:17,830
careful to keep it real though obviously

2600
02:04:23,220 --> 02:04:20,500
yeah you have to but there's there's

2601
02:04:27,110 --> 02:04:23,230
there's one other point that really

2602
02:04:29,940 --> 02:04:27,120
needs to be made and it is this

2603
02:04:32,610 --> 02:04:29,950
archaeologists will get really excited

2604
02:04:35,970 --> 02:04:32,620
when they find you know mammoth bones

2605
02:04:37,830 --> 02:04:35,980
with Flint marks on it suggesting you

2606
02:04:42,510 --> 02:04:37,840
know some interaction between early

2607
02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:42,520
humans and in animals at 50,000 years

2608
02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:44,770
ago or 30,000 years ago right and they

2609
02:04:51,270 --> 02:04:47,650
get excited you you rock this back to

2610
02:04:53,880 --> 02:04:51,280
four hundred thousand years ago we're in

2611
02:04:57,450 --> 02:04:53,890
Kesem where they've got the knives and

2612
02:05:01,070 --> 02:04:57,460
blades and and flint and and hammer

2613
02:05:05,270 --> 02:05:01,080
stones and tools and hearths and fire

2614
02:05:07,550 --> 02:05:05,280
and you're missing that the important

2615
02:05:10,130 --> 02:05:07,560
point here is this is the birth of

2616
02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:10,140
shamanism right this is where it all

2617
02:05:16,130 --> 02:05:13,650
begins right right you know and they

2618
02:05:18,650 --> 02:05:16,140
were almost certainly using swan bones

2619
02:05:22,010 --> 02:05:18,660
to connect with with that particular

2620
02:05:25,400 --> 02:05:22,020
bird they possibly would have been

2621
02:05:28,310 --> 02:05:25,410
adorning themselves in garments of swamp

2622
02:05:32,270 --> 02:05:28,320
swamp feathers and they would have been

2623
02:05:34,460 --> 02:05:32,280
taking the form of a swan to project

2624
02:05:36,380 --> 02:05:34,470
their mind to wherever they were going I

2625
02:05:38,380 --> 02:05:36,390
mean obviously it's so difficult to try

2626
02:05:40,850 --> 02:05:38,390
and get into the minds of these people

2627
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:40,860
400,000 years ago but that's where I

2628
02:05:44,120 --> 02:05:41,850
want to go next

2629
02:05:47,210 --> 02:05:44,130
that's exactly where I want to go when

2630
02:05:50,090 --> 02:05:47,220
we there's something that I've always

2631
02:05:52,580 --> 02:05:50,100
found really interesting and and it's

2632
02:05:56,600 --> 02:05:52,590
this when we're talking about something

2633
02:05:59,080 --> 02:05:56,610
like gobekli tepe right which is is so

2634
02:06:02,690 --> 02:05:59,090
old it's hard to wrap our mind around

2635
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:02,700
but we're still only talking about 9600

2636
02:06:13,730 --> 02:06:09,930
BC yeah was there a language was there a

2637
02:06:18,010 --> 02:06:13,740
spoken language at 9600 BC and as we

2638
02:06:20,600 --> 02:06:18,020
rock this thing back to not only

2639
02:06:25,370 --> 02:06:20,610
different cultures but when we start

2640
02:06:28,100 --> 02:06:25,380
going back to shamans at 400,000 BC were

2641
02:06:30,080 --> 02:06:28,110
these shamans grunting or do you think

2642
02:06:33,410 --> 02:06:30,090
that there was a language was there a

2643
02:06:34,310 --> 02:06:33,420
spoken language echo Beckley Tepe yes

2644
02:06:38,900 --> 02:06:34,320
there was

2645
02:06:42,530 --> 02:06:38,910
yeah and the chances are that it was or

2646
02:06:44,990 --> 02:06:42,540
take in origin what I mean by that that

2647
02:06:47,120 --> 02:06:45,000
it comes from a series of root languages

2648
02:06:51,170 --> 02:06:47,130
that are all surrounding the area of the

2649
02:06:54,520 --> 02:06:51,180
Altai mountains of southern Siberia and

2650
02:06:58,880 --> 02:06:54,530
Mongolia and those root languages are

2651
02:06:59,530 --> 02:06:58,890
Mongolian Turkic and what's the third

2652
02:07:04,060 --> 02:06:59,540
one

2653
02:07:07,070 --> 02:07:04,070
Tunguska Tonka's Tunguska Turkic and

2654
02:07:08,780 --> 02:07:07,080
Mongolian those are the three languages

2655
02:07:11,750 --> 02:07:08,790
of which there are elements in common

2656
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:11,760
with them all which they refer to as

2657
02:07:17,330 --> 02:07:14,400
prototype or just or take

2658
02:07:21,290 --> 02:07:17,340
and you have those same elements in the

2659
02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:21,300
earliest language in that same region as

2660
02:07:27,650 --> 02:07:23,850
Gobekli Tepe which is samarium you know

2661
02:07:29,870 --> 02:07:27,660
you can find many academic papers that

2662
02:07:33,380 --> 02:07:29,880
show the similarities between Sumerian

2663
02:07:36,080 --> 02:07:33,390
and ulti ik based languages again I

2664
02:07:37,490 --> 02:07:36,090
talked about this in the garden is it

2665
02:07:40,480 --> 02:07:37,500
the current book I certainly talk about

2666
02:07:46,280 --> 02:07:40,490
in Cygnus click a thickness K yeah

2667
02:07:49,100 --> 02:07:46,290
and so this there's no doubt that what

2668
02:07:51,230 --> 02:07:49,110
was being spoken in my opinion in around

2669
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:51,240
Quebec except I was a language that

2670
02:07:56,720 --> 02:07:53,280
originally came from as far east as

2671
02:08:00,130 --> 02:07:56,730
Siberia clearly you know it had gone

2672
02:08:02,930 --> 02:08:00,140
through many different changes and

2673
02:08:05,390 --> 02:08:02,940
evolved and whatever but that was one of

2674
02:08:08,270 --> 02:08:05,400
the route points of it but going back

2675
02:08:10,160 --> 02:08:08,280
even further did the Denisovans have a

2676
02:08:12,170 --> 02:08:10,170
language yes I think they did I think

2677
02:08:16,160 --> 02:08:12,180
that they probably spoke this'll take

2678
02:08:19,700 --> 02:08:16,170
language and what's so weird is the that

2679
02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:19,710
in the what was the the alien film about

2680
02:08:27,260 --> 02:08:22,650
the origins of the whole thing and the

2681
02:08:29,570 --> 02:08:27,270
engineers previous yeah previous write

2682
02:08:31,790 --> 02:08:29,580
the language what's so interesting is

2683
02:08:34,480 --> 02:08:31,800
that the language that they had the

2684
02:08:36,650 --> 02:08:34,490
engineer speak was all tagged as the

2685
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:36,660
proto language and they deliberately

2686
02:08:41,180 --> 02:08:38,970
chose that which F I'm very very

2687
02:08:42,440 --> 02:08:41,190
interesting you know that these huge

2688
02:08:44,870 --> 02:08:42,450
figures by the way what we haven't

2689
02:08:49,790 --> 02:08:44,880
mentioned is that there is a very good

2690
02:08:51,560 --> 02:08:49,800
chance that some or indeed many of the

2691
02:08:54,680 --> 02:08:51,570
Denisovans were of incredible size

2692
02:08:57,830 --> 02:08:54,690
perhaps even up to seven to seven and a

2693
02:09:00,320 --> 02:08:57,840
half eight in height and that they were

2694
02:09:02,060 --> 02:09:00,330
probably built like wrestlers of to die

2695
02:09:11,110 --> 02:09:02,070
you know like the largest wrestlers to

2696
02:09:14,050 --> 02:09:11,120
die where does that where do where these

2697
02:09:18,280 --> 02:09:14,060
bones where have they been discovered

2698
02:09:22,310 --> 02:09:18,290
well we only have two sites where

2699
02:09:24,650 --> 02:09:22,320
absolutely confirmed the new seven bones

2700
02:09:28,120 --> 02:09:24,660
have been found one is the thinnest of a

2701
02:09:30,910 --> 02:09:28,130
cave where you have three molars two of

2702
02:09:34,300 --> 02:09:30,920
sure of enormous size have been found

2703
02:09:38,979 --> 02:09:34,310
plus others you know smaller bones and

2704
02:09:41,290 --> 02:09:38,989
eye jawbone that was actually recovered

2705
02:09:46,720 --> 02:09:41,300
as early as 1980 but only recently

2706
02:09:49,570 --> 02:09:46,730
identified the in the Tibetan Plateau a

2707
02:09:51,120 --> 02:09:49,580
cave there in right on the edge of

2708
02:09:54,700 --> 02:09:51,130
Tibetan Plateau in what is today

2709
02:09:56,379 --> 02:09:54,710
northwest China and that's confirmed now

2710
02:09:59,110 --> 02:09:56,389
to be dennis van it's hundred and sixty

2711
02:10:02,890 --> 02:09:59,120
thousand years old but the fact that

2712
02:10:05,200 --> 02:10:02,900
that is confirmed means that other jaw

2713
02:10:08,169 --> 02:10:05,210
bones that we found in other areas like

2714
02:10:11,979 --> 02:10:08,179
for instance one found off the coast of

2715
02:10:16,330 --> 02:10:11,989
Taiwan the so-called pen Penghu jawbone

2716
02:10:18,010 --> 02:10:16,340
is so similar to the tibetan one that

2717
02:10:20,260 --> 02:10:18,020
it's almost certainly Denisovan and and

2718
02:10:23,680 --> 02:10:20,270
then you start making links with with so

2719
02:10:25,570 --> 02:10:23,690
many other items that have been found at

2720
02:10:30,419 --> 02:10:25,580
different sites particularly in eastern

2721
02:10:33,820 --> 02:10:30,429
asia so you know you can begin to to

2722
02:10:35,229 --> 02:10:33,830
create a jigsaw out of all of these and

2723
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:35,239
say that the incidents were over the

2724
02:10:42,459 --> 02:10:39,850
place but what we can say is that these

2725
02:10:45,700 --> 02:10:42,469
items that we found so far all of them

2726
02:10:48,629 --> 02:10:45,710
are of exceptional size and this is not

2727
02:10:51,610 --> 02:10:48,639
me saying this this is the paleo

2728
02:10:54,280 --> 02:10:51,620
geneticists that have been working with

2729
02:10:57,129 --> 02:10:54,290
these bones and these teeth are coming

2730
02:10:59,169 --> 02:10:57,139
out and saying this you know so the

2731
02:11:01,750 --> 02:10:59,179
chances are that the listeners are going

2732
02:11:04,540 --> 02:11:01,760
to be found to be big big guys no

2733
02:11:07,270 --> 02:11:04,550
question at all they are not gonna be

2734
02:11:09,879 --> 02:11:07,280
you know tiny hobbits like you know the

2735
02:11:12,570 --> 02:11:09,889
that the guys that were found on Flores

2736
02:11:16,149 --> 02:11:12,580
in in the the island of Indonesia

2737
02:11:17,770 --> 02:11:16,159
relatively recently they're going to be

2738
02:11:19,510 --> 02:11:17,780
big they're going to be the Giants of

2739
02:11:22,720 --> 02:11:19,520
legend no question about yeah they're

2740
02:11:24,370 --> 02:11:22,730
not going to be hobbits no but but go

2741
02:11:27,490 --> 02:11:24,380
back to your final question if I may

2742
02:11:30,669 --> 02:11:27,500
about the people of Quezon would they

2743
02:11:33,610 --> 02:11:30,679
have had a language I don't think so no

2744
02:11:35,950 --> 02:11:33,620
I think that there they would have been

2745
02:11:37,990 --> 02:11:35,960
so much more sensitive to the

2746
02:11:40,120 --> 02:11:38,000
environment than we would have been they

2747
02:11:42,160 --> 02:11:40,130
would have had better sight better

2748
02:11:44,229 --> 02:11:42,170
hearing

2749
02:11:46,209 --> 02:11:44,239
their language would have been more

2750
02:11:47,560 --> 02:11:46,219
intuitive in the sense of yeah they

2751
02:11:49,990 --> 02:11:47,570
would have had grants they would have

2752
02:11:51,729 --> 02:11:50,000
made sounds they would have joined

2753
02:11:54,729 --> 02:11:51,739
perhaps in some kind of song or

2754
02:11:56,290 --> 02:11:54,739
something like that but I think their

2755
02:11:57,880 --> 02:11:56,300
communication would have been much more

2756
02:12:00,100 --> 02:11:57,890
intuitive almost to the point of

2757
02:12:01,979 --> 02:12:00,110
telepathic I don't necessarily mean that

2758
02:12:04,630 --> 02:12:01,989
you know from a psychic point of view

2759
02:12:07,600 --> 02:12:04,640
but you know in other words everything

2760
02:12:09,490 --> 02:12:07,610
they do would have been communal in the

2761
02:12:12,970 --> 02:12:09,500
sense that they would have all known and

2762
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:12,980
understood what was going on what their

2763
02:12:17,650 --> 02:12:16,010
role was in in their society and how

2764
02:12:20,170 --> 02:12:17,660
they came together and how were they

2765
02:12:22,479 --> 02:12:20,180
would have reacted to certain events and

2766
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:22,489
what was going on around them they

2767
02:12:25,990 --> 02:12:23,930
wouldn't have needed to talk about it I

2768
02:12:29,939 --> 02:12:26,000
think that's what what what we're saying

2769
02:12:32,350 --> 02:12:29,949
here so I don't think that this point

2770
02:12:34,750 --> 02:12:32,360
language is developed in the way that it

2771
02:12:37,510 --> 02:12:34,760
would it would do with the Denisovans a

2772
02:12:40,150 --> 02:12:37,520
much later point and I think that they

2773
02:12:43,390 --> 02:12:40,160
are responsible for the creation of the

2774
02:12:45,880 --> 02:12:43,400
attack language which by the way many

2775
02:12:47,950 --> 02:12:45,890
people see is the root behind what's

2776
02:12:48,790 --> 02:12:47,960
known as the indo-european languages

2777
02:12:52,410 --> 02:12:48,800
which includes

2778
02:12:55,630 --> 02:12:52,420
you know English French German Sanskrit

2779
02:12:58,090 --> 02:12:55,640
Japanese and various other Korean and

2780
02:12:59,709 --> 02:12:58,100
many many many other maybe as much as

2781
02:13:02,680 --> 02:12:59,719
three to four hundred different

2782
02:13:04,780 --> 02:13:02,690
languages spoken not just on the

2783
02:13:08,050 --> 02:13:04,790
Eurasian content but of course are in

2784
02:13:10,439 --> 02:13:08,060
the Americas as well Andrew thank you so

2785
02:13:14,680 --> 02:13:10,449
much what an absolutely incredible

2786
02:13:16,959 --> 02:13:14,690
conversation tonight and I can't say I

2787
02:13:19,930 --> 02:13:16,969
can't say enough I have learned so much

2788
02:13:21,490 --> 02:13:19,940
and the book is incredible and just

2789
02:13:25,150 --> 02:13:21,500
thank you and really quick I've got

2790
02:13:29,350 --> 02:13:25,160
about 30 seconds when do you expect to

2791
02:13:31,810 --> 02:13:29,360
finish the next book I'm started yeah so

2792
02:13:34,300 --> 02:13:31,820
don't get it out on the shelves but

2793
02:13:37,510 --> 02:13:34,310
anyway look if you like what you hear go

2794
02:13:39,430 --> 02:13:37,520
to Andrew Collins calm you know

2795
02:13:41,830 --> 02:13:39,440
everything is on there but if you want

2796
02:13:45,550 --> 02:13:41,840
to buy Denisovan origins just put

2797
02:13:47,110 --> 02:13:45,560
Denisovan amazon and it comes up on your

2798
02:13:49,450 --> 02:13:47,120
search engine and it will take you

2799
02:13:53,020 --> 02:13:49,460
straight to the book on amazon and just

2800
02:13:55,600 --> 02:13:53,030
click that and yeah big very happy and

2801
02:13:59,110 --> 02:13:55,610
so with greg if you bought a copy of

2802
02:14:02,080 --> 02:13:59,120
so thank you Jimmy for having me

2803
02:14:04,980 --> 02:14:02,090
yeah thank you Andrew and as I start to

2804
02:14:08,110 --> 02:14:04,990
roll credits give me a gobekli tepe

2805
02:14:11,530 --> 02:14:08,120
gobekli tepe and the first person to be

2806
02:14:13,810 --> 02:14:11,540
banned from Quebec except I thank you so

2807
02:14:15,490 --> 02:14:13,820
much Andrew enjoy the rest of your day

2808
02:14:20,230 --> 02:14:15,500
over there in the United Kingdom thank

2809
02:14:22,900 --> 02:14:20,240
you so much pleasure Andrew Collins we

2810
02:14:25,090 --> 02:14:22,910
want pole to pole tonight and yes the

2811
02:14:27,640 --> 02:14:25,100
miss event origins here is the book

2812
02:14:30,100 --> 02:14:27,650
there is the cover the links are over at

2813
02:14:33,430 --> 02:14:30,110
Jimmy Church radio.com highly

2814
02:14:35,680 --> 02:14:33,440
recommended highly highly recommended

2815
02:14:39,480 --> 02:14:35,690
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2816
02:14:42,100 --> 02:14:39,490
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2820
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2823
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2824
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2825
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2826
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2827
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2830
02:15:17,890 --> 02:15:14,930
your gym you church tomorrow night right

2831
02:15:21,420 --> 02:15:17,900
here jeffrey miss slob I want to thank

2832
02:15:24,080 --> 02:15:21,430
Andrew Collins until tomorrow night

2833
02:15:26,860 --> 02:15:24,090
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2834
02:15:44,780 --> 02:15:26,870
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